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#1 devans OFFLINE  

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 10:10 AM

Back in June I was finally able to attend the yearly Gravel Club of Americas mow in as it was within a reasonable driving distance from my house. The location varies from year to year and this year it was held in Rhinebeck New York.

Just like other brand get togethers there is no shortage of vendors selling all kinds of things from whole machines to pieces and parts. I went looking for specific things I needed and the loader wasn't really one of them but the wife saw a vendor we've bought from in the past and said to ask him if he knew of any loaders for sale. Turns out he had three but not with him. In case you haven't guessed this yet, getting a loader was just as much the wifes idea as it was mine.

Back story, I had been thinking of getting a loader and was looking at the usual places but I never said anything to the wife. One day we were driving down the highway and a truck hauling a trailer with a GT and loader was going the other way, the wife sees it and says to me we need one of those.

After giving her the who the heck are you and where's my wife look I told her I was already looking but hadn't found anything I liked yet.

Back at the mow in, I make arrangements to meet with the vendor at his house the following weekend and see what he has. Two he had were older models, well used and had been sitting outside for a long time, both needed work. The third was NOS, the newer model and needed nothing more than some maintenance.

The NOS one he wanted $2000 for, it was worth it but it was more than I wanted to spend, the better of the two older models was $600 and was the one I bought.

Also while there my wife pointed out a Haban sickle mower he had, something else I had been looking for that she knew about and it too was loaded in the truck. But as they say that is another story.

The good: the loader is pretty complete, the only thing missing is the braces that tie the supports to the tractor body. 

The bad: it's rusty, needs new rods for the bucket cylinders and all new hoses and seal kits for the cylinders.

 

Here it is sitting behind my storage tent.

 

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:06 AM

This is for Gravely then?? What kind of tractor model, need pictures?  A good tear-down and blast/paint will make it new again. Hoses from farm stores aren't that expensive, or many shops can make just the length you need. If mine, would first try to clean-off the rods, get the burrs off, it will leave pits for minor leaking maybe, but I would be trying them as is first and see how it goes. After clean-up, maybe just replace the top seals on each one to try it. I bet rods cost as much or more than a whole cylinder might. I DO like those extra long levers on the control, wish more brands had that decent size. Tennis ball has to GO!


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:15 AM

Nice save, but by the time you get it all cleaned up, cylinders fixed/re[placed and new hoses, you will probably in to it for more than the $2000 NOS one.....just saying,,,


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:15 AM

I knew I needed new bucket cylinder rods and seal kits all around but I also need to tear the hydraulic components to inspect them for more problems, if any and put together a repair parts list. So dis-assembly of the loader is underway.

 

 

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I brought the cylinders into work because we have a better work bench there than I do at home. It's all steel and very strong. I will need this to get the cylinders apart. The end caps are aluminum and held in with a snap ring. From sitting, the aluminum oxidizes and forms a strong bond to the cylinder itself. Here's one of the bucket cylinders, apart showing what I'm talking about.

 

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Both cylinders apart and the loader valve cleaned up.

 

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This shows the damaged rod and the oxidation better.

 

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The loader arms cylinder. These were the worst to get apart.

 

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This picture tell me the loader has sat probably outside for a very long time. This is some serious pitting, fortunately it doesn't effect the strength of the cylinders.

 

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:25 AM

 

This is for Gravely then?? What kind of tractor model, need pictures?  A good tear-down and blast/paint will make it new again. Hoses from farm stores aren't that expensive, or many shops can make just the length you need. If mine, would first try to clean-off the rods, get the burrs off, it will leave pits for minor leaking maybe, but I would be trying them as is first and see how it goes. After clean-up, maybe just replace the top seals on each one to try it. I bet rods cost as much or more than a whole cylinder might. I DO like those extra long levers on the control, wish more brands had that decent size. Tennis ball has to GO!

 

I'll get to the tractor pictures soon enough. The rods are toast and not worth fussing with plus I'm getting new rods pretty cheap.

Nice save, but by the time you get it all cleaned up, cylinders fixed/re[placed and new hoses, you will probably in to it for more than the $2000 NOS one.....just saying,,,

 

Believe it or not with paint and new parts, hoses, rods and seals I'll be at about $1100 that's including the purchase price. Other than making the rods I'm doing all the work myself. I'm keeping the unit so I don't factor in my labor.

 

Some how or other I ended up quoting one post twice. Sorry.


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:30 AM

The arm cylinders are cleaning up nice.

 

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All clean and put back together to protect the rods.

 

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:45 AM

Next on the list is fitting it to the tractor. This loader was made specifically for the Gravely 400 and 800 series riders so it should go fairly easy.

 

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I used clamps to hold the sub frame up in position so I could get some measurements, I was told on another forum the sub frame worked well as is for the 400 series but was somewhat lacking on the 800's. Kwik way re engineered the sub frame to go back to the rear snow plow mounts and I will be doing the same to my sub frame.

 

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Loader arms and bucket in place.

 

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The test fit was a success. Everything looks good. 

 

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:47 AM

Yep, you do nice work and have facility's to do so, looks good. If you have the Means, makes it easier. 


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:50 AM

gl, when your hands get stiff and hurt with arthritis you will appreciate a larger knob that a little dinky ping pong ball sized one. 
Been there and still there.


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:50 AM

Nice tractor, think those are neat rigs. Like that guard over engine, never seen one before, makes good sense. Where's the weight box go then?? Maybe with all that engine and tractor out back there, won't need much more than wheel weights? 


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:52 AM

Yep, you do nice work and have facility's to do so, looks good. If you have the Means, makes it easier. 

 

Thank you and I couldn't agree more. The right tools helps a lot.



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Posted November 21, 2015 - 11:58 AM

Nice tractor, think those are neat rigs. Like that guard over engine, never seen one before, makes good sense. Where's the weight box go then?? Maybe with all that engine and tractor out back there, won't need much more than wheel weights? 

 

The tractor is a '72, it didn't come with the guard I modified this one to fit. It comes on the zero turns.

I may have to add some rear weight but so far the plan is tubing and filling the rear tires and adding wheel weights to both sides of the rims. 50's on the outside and 35's on the inside.

Look at my 816 thread, starting at post 34. It shows my weight idea and the modified guard.

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Posted November 21, 2015 - 12:29 PM

Here's the sub frame with the pump.

 

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Time to get into this. The cross arms that hold the uprights had gotten water in them at some point and it froze bulging out the side and blowing out one of the welds.

 

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A quick trip through my shop press 

 

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It's square again.

 

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I still need to weld up the broken weld seam but leaf clean up has taken a lot of my free time so things are slowing down some.


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 12:40 PM

Nice work!  That thing is the definition of neglect..what a shame.  Glad to see it's being brought to service.  Not much that is more fun than getting a loader up and going.  

Around here I have found that hydro work is ridiculously expensive.  2 new rods and the cut open/reweld of the cylinders they go in was quoted to me at $550.  um, no.


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 12:56 PM

$550 is nuts, if the cylinders are standard (mine aren't) then you can buy new ones cheaper than that. Assuming we're talking small loaders here.

 

If you think mine is bad the other one that was there was worse. All four cylinders were shot and needed new rods and the rust was worse too. But you're right about this being fun, I'm having a blast.


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