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Posted November 21, 2015 - 05:34 PM

Just a suggestion but if you do use the back hoe and loader together again I would put them on something other then a HT20 like a 1886 or HT23.  That combo of loader and backhoe is hard on the bull gear in the rear end of the HT20s.


Not sure I can agree with that statement,I have had a couple HT-20 parts tractors that had the backhoe and loader on them,they had rod engine issues,when I tore them down didn't see any more wear on them than on others that I parted without those attachments
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Posted November 21, 2015 - 06:39 PM

Not sure I can agree with that statement,I have had a couple HT-20 parts tractors that had the backhoe and loader on them,they had rod engine issues,when I tore them down didn't see any more wear on them than on others that I parted without those attachments

 

 

The one in my HT20 with fel and backhoe is about gone.  It really depends on how much it was used and what for. 


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 07:25 PM

The one in my HT20 with fel and backhoe is about gone.  It really depends on how much it was used and what for.


Then what makes the 1886 any better,the late 1886,HT-20,HT-23 used the same bull gear,the early LF's all shared the same bull gear number,,so if you had a HT-23 that was well used it would also show wear,no matter what model it was if it's been well used then wear is going to show,in that case one model has no advantage over the other
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Posted November 21, 2015 - 08:07 PM

Then what makes the 1886 any better,the late 1886,HT-20,HT-23 used the same bull gear,the early LF's all shared the same bull gear number,,so if you had a HT-23 that was well used it would also show wear,no matter what model it was if it's been well used then wear is going to show,in that case one model has no advantage over the other

 

 

If your going to nitpick what I say then fine!   I mean the 1886-01 -1886-04.   The HT23 were fixed of the problem!    

 

The large frames from the 1886s-05 to the HT20/2087-02 serial number 0204042 had a bull gear that was not properly heat treated and was known to fail.    So yes  the newer HT20 like the 03 and 04 were fixed of the problem.   The 1886s-05 to the HT20/2087-02 serial number 0204042 were sometimes replaced by the dealers if they showed back up because of problems. 


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Posted November 21, 2015 - 08:46 PM

All I was trying to show was the 1886 and HT-23 weren't the only answer as you made it sound ,didn't see any reason to possibly misinform anyone,most of the HT-20's were just as good,not all the 20's had issues,I have  sold a lot of bull gears over the  years of selling parts  for the early large frames and the 1886's,it all in how they were treated and used,sorry you got offended,was never the intent to" nitpick" you


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Posted November 22, 2015 - 04:10 PM

Very interesting information on the differences between the different models.

To save any risk to Chris's tractor I think the best solution is to sell it to me for my ht23 :-))

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Posted November 22, 2015 - 05:39 PM

Now, that's a good friend!
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Posted December 31, 2015 - 03:00 PM

Well its been a while but I had a spare day yesterday so managed to remove the front loader arms, the rams & few parts on the tractor. Well the bonnet fell off & rust as I was knocking the loader pins out.

 

I found the totaly rotted engine. Its in poor shape but will keep any save able parts for the other HTs in the collection.

 

The loader pump turns & the system was full of water/oil mix when I drained it out. The pump is driven off another pulley behind the 3 pulley block between engine & PTO pulleys

 

The rams are stuck, so will give them a clean up & soak them in diesel for a while. They need new rods so thats the 1st big expence followed by new hoses.

 

I need more time to get the frame of the chassis of the tractor then can get that cleaned up. I am not going to paint it as still in good condition after all the years in the open air. Look good on the 1886 as is in working clothes. Will just sort what needs doing so it will work again :dancingbanana:

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Posted December 31, 2015 - 05:08 PM

Glad you are making a start on your loader Chris. You can really see the difference in the LF size in your second photo against my TF 850!
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Posted December 31, 2015 - 05:53 PM

Nice tractor you've got yourself.


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Posted January 01, 2016 - 03:10 PM

Wow, Chris.  As my wife might say, "That's someone with vision..."

 

Shoot, if we didn't have "vision", it wouldn't be half as much fun, now would it?  Great find!  Looks like a ton of fun to me!  Oh, the engine on my recent 1886 find looked (looks?) much like yours did.  Got it running in a jiffy, though... :thumbs:

 

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 06:36 AM

Hi Chris,

 

I am also in the UK (Stoke on Trent) and have a reasonable collection of Bolens myself.  I have got 4 Bolens Tractors with Loaders.  HT20 with loader (undergoing restoration at the moment), a HT22D with loader, both of which have rear 3 point linkage and i managed to drop on a genuine power steering kit which i'm going to fit the the HT20.  I also have H14 with loader and a G14 with loader which definitely needs restoration but is all complete.  I have many other tubular frame tractors: G8, G10, G11 (with rainbow decals), G14, H14, H16 i also have quite a few attachments for these some of which are quite rare.  Not managed to find many attachments for the large tractors though, only have rotavator and mower decks.  Have HT18 & 2x HT23's.  I am really envious of you having the backhoe attachment, i saw it advertised on Gumtree late one night and was going to call about it in the morning, but looks like you beat me to it! Would you ever consider selling the backhoe?  My HT20 with loader (which i'm currently restoring) was in VERY poor condition, all rams have had to be rebuilt, the tractor itself got broken for spares and transferred the loader to another HT20 which is also being restored.  Mine spent many years out in the field in Inverness.  Seeing your photo's has encouraged me to get mine finished!!

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 07:49 AM

:wave: Welcome to the forum! Sounds like we are getting quite a few new members from the UK with some Bolens machines!


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Posted January 03, 2016 - 08:09 AM

Hi Dave, welcome to the forum it has been a long time since we have spoken. Since we last caught up I am added 14 more Bolens to my collection. Would be great if you can post some pics on your other tracs/attachments and a thread on your current restoration

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 11:26 AM

Welcome Dave to the forum. That's an impressive collection of Bolens you have as well as having those FELs too! There must be several more Bolens with FELs out there in the UK to give me a chance to grab one for myself.....

As Iain said, it would be great to see some more photos of your collection to whet our appetite!

Cheers

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