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1964 LandLord 314 Project. [Complete]

1964 simplicity landlord 314 transmission leak

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#1 wbakunis OFFLINE  

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Posted September 21, 2015 - 07:58 PM

This might be a very long write up.

I'm currently working on a 1964 Simplicity LandLord 314 (990314) with a hydraulic Lift (990339). It was given to me about 1 month ago and I was told it was well taken care of. Sadly this isn't the case. The LandLord is in rather rough shape. It never got regular TLC besides motor oil changes. 

Issues:

  • Transmission Leaking from flange gasket & oil seals. (#1 Priority)
  • Loose wheel hub.
  • Hydraulic needs to be repacked. (Currently finding o-rings)
  • Hydraulic pump needs new seals & o-rings but isn't mandatory. I just want to do it. (Currently finding o-rings)
  • Worn out drive shaft plate (Fixed)
  • Carburetor needs a rebuild (Done)
  • Gas tank is slightly rusted inside.
  • Gas tank drain spout broke. Need to backout old pipe tip and find new pipe.

Whats Good:

  • Engine runs beautifully.
  • Generator is charging battery correctly
  • Hydraulic Pump works perfectly without leaking
  • Tires are holding air
  • Barely any rust. Just a little surface rust on front rims. Whole tractor is just covered in oil and grease.

Tractor Numbers:

  • Main - 990314
  • Hydraulic Lift - 990339
  • Tiller 36" - 1690039
  • Tiller Lift - 1690045
  • Tine Extension - 1600419 

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Transmission:

 

I should have all the tools myself to tear it apart and fix the seals & the gasket. I found that it had no oil so I filled it up and took the tractor for a spin. Everything went fine. I only noticed a small leak around the Oil Seals. Next morning I go out and find that all the oil dripped out from the bottom. 

Parts I ordered:

 

What are some tips or suggestions to properly taking the seals out and fixing the gasket?

 

Wheel Hub:

 

I'm genuinely worried about this part. While taking the left-rear tire off, I noticed it was moving freely (forward & back) without the axle moving. I found that the wheel hub wasn't tightly attached to the axle. Both bolts were loose and the keyway appeared to be sheared. I had to use a pully puller to remove the hub. I backed both the hub bolts out and found that they are stripped. The bolts need to be replaced and I need to retap the threads.

  • The keyway wasn't sheared but was heavily damaged.
  • The axle is also damaged. One of the hub bolts wore down a groove on the axle.

Keyway

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Wheel Hub
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Axle
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Hydraulic & Pump:

 

I've got this under control. Its' not that difficult to repack the cylinder and rebuild the pump. Ill be doing later during next month (october 2015) anyways.


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Posted September 21, 2015 - 08:14 PM

   The rear axle is the only thing that is really concerning.  I went thru this on dads tractor when I restored it, if you can weld and have access to a machine shop than all the damage that was caused can be fixed.  you can weld up the axle shaft to repair that then cut the key way on a Bridgeport.  the hub you may be better of to replace.  I fixed dads by drilling the center out and welding a bushing in there then re-drill the center hole and cut the key slot in there with broaches.

   the axle shaft should slide rite out of that rear diff without taking it apart.  If I remember you have to take the collar of the left side then remove the rite side hub. then you should be able to pull the axle out from the rite side, be careful the posi gears don't come out they can be a pain to get back in correctly.

    You can check the manuals section here for more info.

                                   Pete


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Posted September 21, 2015 - 08:32 PM

As far as the seals, I imagine you mean the axle seals. A good seal puller or even a long flat blade screw driver can usually be employed to get them out of their bores. What I usually do is put a thin layer of either silicone gasket maker or thread locker on the outside surface of the seal where it sits it the bore. There is another Loctite product (648 retaining compound) made just for that purpose but not always as easy to find at the parts store as the other stuff. Not always necessary but nice insurance. Don't forget to lube the inner seal lip with some axle grease before installing the seals and make sure you drive the seal in squarely with the proper size driver or a three point (triangle pattern) sequence with a wide punch or 2x4 around the edge of the seal to avoid damaging the seals. As for the damaged keyway in the hub and axle, the best option would be to replace them if you're lucky enough to find some good ones. Other than that, a trip to the local machine shop might be in order to have the keyways filled in with weld and re-broached. Maybe someone else out there has another suggestion for those but that is what would work best in my opinion. There are some other things you could try, including JB Weld, but I don't know what kind of longevity you would get from those options. Hopefully, someone who has used one of the "other options" will chime in with their experience and results.


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Posted September 21, 2015 - 10:53 PM

   The rear axle is the only thing that is really concerning.  I went thru this on dads tractor when I restored it, if you can weld and have access to a machine shop than all the damage that was caused can be fixed.  you can weld up the axle shaft to repair that then cut the key way on a Bridgeport.  the hub you may be better of to replace.  I fixed dads by drilling the center out and welding a bushing in there then re-drill the center hole and cut the key slot in there with broaches.

   the axle shaft should slide rite out of that rear diff without taking it apart.  If I remember you have to take the collar of the left side then remove the rite side hub. then you should be able to pull the axle out from the rite side, be careful the posi gears don't come out they can be a pain to get back in correctly.

    You can check the manuals section here for more info.

                                   Pete

Theres a few machine shops around. Ill have to give them a call, do some pricing and see if they have a bridgeport machine. Ill let them do both the welding and machining. We have a Mig welder but don't have much experience. 

 

Yea, I was able to get the axle to slide partially out but stopped myself. After looking at the parts manual, i'm worried about the drive gear and keyway dropping inside. I need to apply permatex anyways so ill split it open.

 

 

As far as the seals, I imagine you mean the axle seals. A good seal puller or even a long flat blade screw driver can usually be employed to get them out of their bores. What I usually do is put a thin layer of either silicone gasket maker or thread locker on the outside surface of the seal where it sits it the bore. There is another Loctite product (648 retaining compound) made just for that purpose but not always as easy to find at the parts store as the other stuff. Not always necessary but nice insurance. Don't forget to lube the inner seal lip with some axle grease before installing the seals and make sure you drive the seal in squarely with the proper size driver or a three point (triangle pattern) sequence with a wide punch or 2x4 around the edge of the seal to avoid damaging the seals. As for the damaged keyway in the hub and axle, the best option would be to replace them if you're lucky enough to find some good ones. Other than that, a trip to the local machine shop might be in order to have the keyways filled in with weld and re-broached. Maybe someone else out there has another suggestion for those but that is what would work best in my opinion. There are some other things you could try, including JB Weld, but I don't know what kind of longevity you would get from those options. Hopefully, someone who has used one of the "other options" will chime in with their experience and results.

 

Replacing the seals doesn't sound too bad. Ill just use some grease. Ill go with the machine shop option. I don't want to tear the tractor down again anytime soon.



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Posted September 22, 2015 - 04:52 AM

   You may be a bit surprised by the cost of a machine shop, look around for parts.  sometimes you can find an entire parts machine for reasonable and then you have lots of parts.  there are also some great suppliers on here that can get you brand new stuff.

                           Pete


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Posted September 25, 2015 - 06:15 PM

I was able to find a tap & die set for rethreading the wheel hub. Much better now. I may have a couple set screws in the nut & bot pile laying around. Today I got the permatex and seals for the rear end.

 

Tomorrow should be a fun day. 

 

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Posted September 25, 2015 - 06:21 PM

If your hubs don't work out I have one here with a siezed trans but good hub and diff
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Posted September 26, 2015 - 07:21 PM

Today I spent the day working on the seals and the gasket. Didn't go well at all. First mistake I made was not taking enough pictures while tearing it down. Second mistake was not having a proper work bench / area. After putting it back together, the brake is locked up and the axle won't spin freely / hung up. Also looks like the axle is way too far off to the left. I think this is why the axle isn't moving freely. I didn't run the tractor. I don't think I ruined anything by hand cranking it. Tomorrow I take it apart again.

 

Found out that I need another part. The drive pulley on the rear end is broken. Could wear down the belt quickly.

Drive Pulley - Simplicity 154272

 

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Edited by wbakunis, September 26, 2015 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted September 30, 2015 - 05:02 PM

I was given a missing part for the tractor today. I think this might be part of the mule? If it is, I'm still missing the main pulley that would hook up to the bevel gear housing. Shouldn't be difficult to find one at tractor supply.
 

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Posted September 30, 2015 - 08:19 PM

    check to make sure all the gears and shafts are all seated correctly in the trans, kind of tricky to get everything together.  the cover should go on and fit down flush without any trouble before you tighten the bolts.  Not sure about that mulled drive, doesn't look like what I have but the newer ones are different.

           Pete   



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Posted October 04, 2015 - 08:44 PM

I was able to take it apart again today. Didn't find anything in the wrong place. I tried being more careful about the axle adjustment while putting it back together. Its' cranking over fine by hand now. I'm waiting till tomorrow to put 90w oil in. Let the permatex setup and dry. My guess is that the axle was pinching from not being lined up right.

 

Tomorrow I want to work on the bevel gearbox.


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Posted October 05, 2015 - 08:33 AM

I forgot to mention in my last post that it won't roll in neutral. 1-3 & R work fine. I didn't drive it. Just hand cranked the pulley. Could it not roll due to no oil or did I mess up again?

 

EDIT: I finally fixed it around 6:30pm. I had one of the axle spacers upside down and was rubbing against the snap ring. This took up about 1/16th space. Flipped it around and there was an inset on it. The spacer would slip over top the snap ring. Gonna get a frost tonight so ill seal the rear-end in the morning. 


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Posted October 07, 2015 - 12:57 PM

Today I changed the oil in the motor. There was only about a quart in it. Book wants 2 quarts. Also filled up the rear-end with 90w to the second screw plug. Now I just need to find o-rings for the hydraulic piston and fix the gas tank.

 

  • What holds the seat up when you want to work in the back? Right now I put a wire on the frame and tied it to the seat's frame to prevent it from falling all the way back.
     
  • What holds the front of the hood on? Is it another set of two bolts like near the dash? Previous owner drilled a hole in the hood and put threaded rod through it.

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Posted October 07, 2015 - 11:55 PM

That "mule part" is actually the idler pulleys needed to run the rear tiller. If you download the operator's manual for the tiller from the Simplicity website it will show how they are attached on the rear lift stub.


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Posted October 09, 2015 - 01:25 PM

That "mule part" is actually the idler pulleys needed to run the rear tiller. If you download the operator's manual for the tiller from the Simplicity website it will show how they are attached on the rear lift stub.

Yea, I was able to find out how it works. Raising and lowering the tiller tightens / loosens the belt. To engage the tiller, you pull the handle on top the tiller. This tiller is meant for something newer. I was told it works fine. Next year I need to find out for myself. 


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