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Posted October 14, 2015 - 08:16 PM

They replaced the TCM and it seems the "no start" issue is fixed. I am wondering why it would take a full week to reprogram the TCM, and only 24 hours to replace it. Hmmmmm. Sounds like they may be being pressured.


Someone at Ford may have made a phone call.

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Posted October 14, 2015 - 08:26 PM

I updated my case with them today. Told them about my "social media" post, and that I plan to take it to the GM dealer next door and trade it for a reliable vehicle.

My options.

1. Fight Ford with Lawyers, Expensive 

2. Take the Dealer Buy back offer of $8,000, I am out $4,500 and no car

3. Trade it at GM, still out $4,500 but have a car

4. Keep it parked, and build equity (Only use for emergency)

 

Eventually I need to replace my current work car, it has 240,000 miles on it. I hope to drive it to 300K or the wheels fall off, which ever comes first.



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Posted October 14, 2015 - 08:41 PM

Years ago my dad bought a brand new Ford van. It was the mid 80s. It would suddenly go full throttle and would not come back unless you shut it off. It went back and forth to the dealer a ton and they told him he was making it up. Well one day he was driving past the dealership and it went wild. He pulled it up in the service center, got out and locked the doors with it still running. After a short time it blew up. He got a new engine. Never did it again.


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Posted October 14, 2015 - 09:32 PM

Willie, I have started posting to these sites. I have replaced clutches (Dodge Dart) and rebuilt automatic clutch packs (Datsun pickup) but never seen anything like this. https://www.youtube....h?v=YVJnNPbjjjs



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Posted October 15, 2015 - 05:22 AM

Larry hope this takes care of all your troubles with this car and it turns out to be the best car you ever drove ,,, and you drove to 500k


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 07:45 AM

The question I have now is "Does this transaxle have the black input shaft seals or the re-designed red ones. It seems the black oves fail around 30K and cause a chattering in the clutch. I think there is a TSB on this." Car Facts show the car orginated at this same dealership (new) and was always serviced there.


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 11:21 AM

Wow that is a lot of crap for a clutch. Nothing like having to have a special ford computer to calibrate everything after you use the massive special Ford clutch tool.  Over complicated. Give me a simple car any day.


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 06:20 PM

They replaced the TCM this time. My Son drove it home and said it wasn't hesitating like before, and feels more responsive. I'll take it to work tomorrow, and will have the video just in case.


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 07:11 PM

Option 5.

Must have had a short under the dash.  ???  Darn thing just burnt up. 


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 08:25 PM

I'm not sure why the transmission control module would keep it from starting unless it's not recognizing park/neutral, which may well be the case. Not sure about the running issues though, I guess the torque convertor functions could have been affected.
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Posted October 15, 2015 - 09:07 PM

toppop52 if you watched the YouTube's you would have seen that this doesn't have a torque converter. It is Ford's experimental dual dry clutch manual transmission that uses a "transmission control module" (TCM) to control the clutches. There is only a gas and brake pedal in the cab. With the computer controlled dual clutch design the car is actually in two gears at the same time. (1&2 - 2&3 - 3&4 - 4&5 - 5&6) You have to watch the video to understand. 

On another note, when I picked the car up today I asked for the service record to see if the TSB indicating the input shaft seals were replaced. Nope, I have the original seals, so my only hope is that they fail before 100K


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Posted October 15, 2015 - 09:39 PM

What an absolutely awful design. Rube Goldberg is rolling in his grave.

This shouldn't have a tsb, it should be a recall.
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Posted October 15, 2015 - 10:45 PM

This whole thing is starting to sound like " Another adventure of how the stomach turns ". 

Sure hope they have the problem fixed for you. Your about due for a couple of years of trouble free service from that car. 



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Posted October 16, 2015 - 06:23 AM

I hadn't watched the video, thanks. I guess I don't understand the workings well enough to see what the TCM does that would prevent starting, must be gear position or some such. I had assumed it was the 6 speed auto that was jointly developed with GM and Chrysler about 15 years ago.


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Posted October 16, 2015 - 09:07 AM

The car drives like a different animal now. I actually took the day off to see what GM might offer me for trade. There is no hesitation with shifting, I took it out on the highway and "Romped" on it. No hesitation, and it shifted smoothly. Now that I know how the transaxle is supposed to work (I thought it was an automatic) I can actually tell when the clutches are released, and engaged. At 70mph I let off the gas to get ready to turn on to the side road and I watched the tack (why to they put a tachometer in a automatic?) I saw where it down shifted, and up shifted. All seems normal now. I still have concerns with the input shaft seals, but confirmed it does have a 100k warranty on those. I may keep it to 95K then trade it, unless the seals fail before then.   


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