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#1 chieffan OFFLINE  

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Posted July 13, 2015 - 05:48 PM

Saw a sale bill the other day with a picture of a Super Ram shown from the rear only, inside and covered with dust webs. Had to go check it out in spite of 98° temps and no breeze in town. (No how dumb is that??) Arrived and ventured out into the heat and spotted the RAM - With a front mount deck sitting in front of it, a aerator behind it and another motor off to the side. Deck looked complete and solid, spindles turned and cross shaft turned OK but the idler wheel swivels were froze. One wheel was shot and the other close to it. On to the tractor. It had a 4hp B&S hanging on the front of an extended frame, and a stripped down Kohler serving as a jack shaft in the original motors position. A belt was running from the Briggs back to the outside pulley on the old K engine, and belts on to the variable pulley etc.

I visited with PO brother and he said the old Kohler died and they mounted the Briggs in front as a simple way to get it running as he needed to mow. Extensions were added to the back of the hood and the lower front to reach to attachment points. It really wasn't all that cobbled up, just looked that way. Anyway, with help I got it on the trailer, along with the heavy deck, aerator and an extra Clinton engine and headed home.

Power washed it this morning after a rain shower, then pulled it up on the work table. took the pics first and then started to check a few things out. The recoil just spun and did not engage the motor at first. rocked the engine a time or tow and it caught and turned over with good compression.. did a spark check and had a good hot spark. Time to quit and find the AC. I don't think it will take a lot to get this one running again.

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Posted July 13, 2015 - 05:55 PM

Great find!

I can only dream of finding a front deck for one of mine, I have been searching for years!

 

I can say I have never seen anything like that engine cobble! So does that Kohler still turn while the briggs is running?? Oh my!

Did he save the tear drop gas tank? You may be able to bring it back to life.

 

The clinton was a nice score as well, looks like a 700 series


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 06:26 PM

Thats a good find right there!


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 06:35 PM

Nice find! Is there any modal and serial numbers on her?


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 08:09 PM

He did not save any of the old parts or the gas tank.

The original Kohler engine is used as a jack shaft. No internals, ports closed off, only the crank shaft, both oil seals left intact and filled with oil.

As for numbers: TRACTOR; Type 20HD02 SERIAL # 31034 Deck is HD43402. Part of the tag is under the front idler wheel bracket so that is all I can read without disassembly. I think the tractor is about a 63 or 64 ??

The extra Clinton motor is a K90-1. His brother found it at a junk yard and thought it might fit so grabbed it.

The Briggs recoil would not engage at the auction. After I got it on the table I removed one belt which rotated the motor a little and the recoil engages like it is supposed to. Engine has a nice hot spark. Fuel system clean up and I think it will run. When I get the original K motor and gas tank I may start to put it back to original. Until then I may just run it the way it is if everything works.

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Posted July 13, 2015 - 08:36 PM

If its a super ram its a 1957, you can use a tank from a walk behind same thing


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 09:07 PM

I think that B&S engine is more than 4hp.

 

B&S 4 hp would be model 100xxx.

 

B&S 5hp would be model 130xxx.

 

B&S 6hp would be model 142xxx or 142xxx.  (some were advertised as 5-3/4hp) 

 

B&S 7hp would be model 170xxx.

 

B&S 8hp would be model 190xxx.


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 09:24 PM

I think that B&S engine is more than 4hp.
 
B&S 4 hp would be model 100xxx.
 
B&S 5hp would be model 130xxx.
 
B&S 6hp would be model 142xxx or 142xxx.  (some were advertised as 5-3/4hp) 
 
B&S 7hp would be model 170xxx.
 
B&S 8hp would be model 190xxx.


The label on the Briggs on top side of the fly wheel shroud says it is a 4 hp. The motor number I gave is off that Clinton engine.

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Posted July 13, 2015 - 09:26 PM

If its a super ram its a 1957, you can use a tank from a walk behind same thing


Everything I see in the manual points to it being a Super. Lot of difference between the Super and a standard RAM. I have both now.

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Posted July 14, 2015 - 05:44 AM

20HD-02 was the little Ride-a-Matic , this one likely a 1957

It should just read "Ride-a-Matic" on the hood not Super

 

Should have a Koher K91 Originally 3.6HP


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Posted July 14, 2015 - 06:26 AM

Very unique repower method.
Congrats on bringing another unit home and especially the front mount deck.
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Posted July 14, 2015 - 08:15 AM

The label on the Briggs on top side of the fly wheel shroud says it is a 4 hp. The motor number I gave is off that Clinton engine.

 

Out of curiosity, what are the B&S engine numbers?


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Posted July 14, 2015 - 11:07 AM

That is quite the ingenuity.  I hope you are able to restore it. Here is a pic of my 1957 super RAM if you need any pics just let me know.

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Posted July 14, 2015 - 12:53 PM

If its a super ram its a 1957, you can use a tank from a walk behind same thing


Which walk behind? My gardener has a round tank like what is on that Clinton. I thought the Supers had a tear drop shaped tank, at least from what I could see in photos?

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Posted July 14, 2015 - 12:57 PM

Out of curiosity, what are the B&S engine numbers?


Going out there to work on it now. Will get the numbers this afternoon and post them this evening. I am curios also as those shrouds can be changed a round some.




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