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Posted July 12, 2015 - 08:37 AM

Could someone tell me how to check the oil? 

I assume there is a drain-style plug or bolt to remove down low somewhere on the case? 

 

 

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Posted July 12, 2015 - 09:15 AM

Where are the pics? In 1919 there were all kinds of experiments on machines. It could be anything. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 09:23 AM

IF it's 1919, it should have a sight glass in the front under the radiator. The oil level should be in the center of the glass. The newer ones had a petcock there that you filled until the oil came out. What is the serial number? It should be on a brass tag, also under the radiator.


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 09:40 AM

Thanx Doug!   It has the sight glass.  Just looks black and my brain didn't register thats what it was.  

Now that I looked again its a little overfull. Really have to look close to see the clear at the top cause its just barely visable.


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 09:44 AM

Pics on my other thread "hit paydirt at auction"

 

Doug.  serial # is 2664


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 10:28 AM

Thanx Doug!   It has the sight glass.  Just looks black and my brain didn't register thats what it was.  

Now that I looked again its a little overfull. Really have to look close to see the clear at the top cause its just barely visable.

When the oil is high, I suspect water from condensation in the bottom of the pan. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 10:59 AM

Thats a good point!  All these machines have been sitting for some time. 



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Posted July 12, 2015 - 11:25 AM

The crazy thing about these are that they show empty in the sight glass when they are running.


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 06:11 PM

With the oil full I losened the drain plug to check for water.  None came out, just oil. 

Shot some carb cleaner in the carb and rolled it over, ....  nothing.

Filed and cleaned the points,  another shot of carb cleaner,  and the thing is running...  and driving forward!

I pulled both levers back and it still travels forward until it runs out of the shot of "fuel" I gave it. 

NOTE TO SELF

Remove tractor from trailer and point it in a safe direction. 

With such big flywheels it rolled quite a ways after it died from lack of fuel.  Luckily it stopped before it run off the front of the trailer and into the rear door of the MRS.s minivan.  :mad2:

I put the floor jack under the tractor and elevated the drive wheels enough that they couldn't propell the tractor into anything until I figure out what I'm doing.   The drain cock was busted off the bottom of the radiator so I stopped and J.B. Welded that back on.  With a fillup of straight water and some gas in the tank I was ready to try again.

Fired right up and kept starving for fuel.  Not wanting to go into the carb I thought I'd let it sit to see if the fresh gas with all its wonderful ethanol would soak in and losen the blockage.  After a half hour I tapped the float bowl and restarted the engine.  With a touch of adjustmemt on the carb it ran beautifully. 

I was ready for a ride!

 

Jumped on the cart and let-er go.  Drove around for about 5 minutes, made a big ole loop around the house getting the feel of the turning clutches.  Starting to figure things out.  The [obviously] straight cut gears are kinda noisey but the old girl is really chugging them off.   

Decided to park it in the grass as I have all the other auction finds sitting everywhere and don't know where else to put it.  Got off and idled it down to see if it'd run slow.  Idling OK I took the radiator cap off.  It needs a little more water so I went to get some.  Came back and topped the rad. off while it chugged away. 

Then it started slowing down, nothing radical, just getting slower and slower until it died. 

Went to restart it and the engine is tight.  :(  Could hardly turn it with the crank.  Backed it up and it losened up like normal.  Thinking the clutches were dragging I wasn't worried. 

Came in the house to cool off.  After a while I went back out and the tractor restarted fine.  It ran 10 seconds and I shorted out the mag to kill it and it stopped more abruptly than it should have!  Engine was tight again!

I backed it up with a wrench on the flywheel nut and its lose again but I think its not pumping oil.  :mad2:

 

I assume these have an oil pump?   :wallbanging:


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Posted July 12, 2015 - 11:08 PM

No oil pump, all splash. If the clutches were dragging it would be trying to pull. Wonder if maybe the hole in the rod is plugged and not getting oil? Maybe add a little more oil and see how it acts.


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 02:26 AM

 Thanks again Doug!!!    :worshippy1:

 

It didn't try to move. 

I assume I'm dealing with babbitt on something this old?   

 

Is access to the rod the square plate on the bottom?


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 07:07 AM

Amazing find!!!  That's an absolute gem you have there, and is exactly what I've been looking for myself.  I absolutely love the cart too.  Congratulations on a great find and good luck with it.


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 11:15 AM

It's something to think that they barely had a decent car in 1919, and you've got a working garden tractor.


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Posted July 13, 2015 - 11:48 AM

That is an awesome piece! Congratulations. I would like to go to a sale like that some day!


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Posted July 14, 2015 - 06:54 AM

 Thanks again Doug!!!    :worshippy1:

 

It didn't try to move. 

I assume I'm dealing with babbitt on something this old?   

 

Is access to the rod the square plate on the bottom?

The rod and mains are poured babbitt. You can access the rod through the plate. It's been a while since i had one apart but if the rod has a scooper dipper on the bottom, make sure its pointed the right direction to scoop the oil up instead of pushing it away.


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