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Posted July 16, 2015 - 03:30 PM

Good looking repair that should serve you well.  Are you going to put some paint on the underside of the deck?  Those deck shells are SO hard to come by, so I'd do my best to protect it's lifespan.  It's the identical deck shell as what the Massey 14/16 uses, but they are hard to find as well.


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Posted July 16, 2015 - 04:16 PM

Good looking repair that should serve you well.  Are you going to put some paint on the underside of the deck?  Those deck shells are SO hard to come by, so I'd do my best to protect it's lifespan.  It's the identical deck shell as what the Massey 14/16 uses, but they are hard to find as well.

Right now, I will see how it does. IF it mows as well as folks say, I'll break it back down and protect the shell! Not that much work, keeps me busy! I just want to mow with it and see what it does. I will not mow wet grass and we may not get much rain till the end of Sept!


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Posted July 16, 2015 - 04:17 PM

They do mow nice!
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Posted July 16, 2015 - 04:54 PM

They do mow nice!

Thanks, Daniel! If I'm happy (which I should be), I'll make it as nice as It will let me! But then I have to do the tractor!!!!!

I don't have anything else for the 416, so it will be a mowing tractor. It would be nice to make it look good!


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Posted July 16, 2015 - 07:25 PM

I've owned both the MF14 and Allis 416H, so that's how I know the decks are identical.  The Allis deck's roller & rear height adjustment were all shot, and I had a rusted out Massey deck.  I noticed they looked so much alike, and turned out I simply took all the rear height adjustment wheel system off the Massey's deck & put on the Allis deck.  The hanger system is different, but the Massey & Allis decks have holes in either one that will accept the other's hangers & height setups.

  Both mowed super for me.


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Posted July 17, 2015 - 04:31 AM

Thanks, Daniel! The blades had some bad spots in them, but I didn't want to take too much off at a time. So that may affect the cut some. I'll use it some the rest of this year and then take it apart this Fall and make it look better.


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Posted July 17, 2015 - 09:05 AM

I love the way mine mows but I think the blade speed needs to be faster because the clippings are pretty long. Nice job on the deck rebuild Kenny. I am fixing to weld a couple of places on mine the sand blast and paint it.


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Posted July 17, 2015 - 06:52 PM

I love the way mine mows but I think the blade speed needs to be faster because the clippings are pretty long. Nice job on the deck rebuild Kenny. I am fixing to weld a couple of places on mine the sand blast and paint it.

Mine has so many pits that I will not even try to make it a 'showroom' model! All I can do now is slow the deterioration. I can change blade speed as I do have one 4.5" pulley left over instead of the normal drive pulley! That would wind it up pretty good!


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Posted July 17, 2015 - 10:36 PM

Yeah I thought about changing mine while I had it tore down . Was going to start this weekend until the storms hit us this week. Now looks like I will be on clean up duty for a while.


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Posted July 18, 2015 - 01:38 PM

I got to looking through my stash of belts and I found a used 92" belt that was in good condition. The deck belt callout is for a 93" so I though it was worth a try. Got the old PTO to deck belt out. Mounted the deck and gave it a try.

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Here's where I tried it out at.

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I wanted to drop the deck one notch with the deck handle, but that didn't work. I attached the deck to the lift as the manual states with the rear chain in the fifth link. WRONG! I had the lift handle all the way up and the deck handle bypassed the notch I wanted. Dropped the blades right down on the ground.

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I'm going to try the 4th link and see if the tractor lift will work as in the 5th link is does nothing. I finally got it to lock in one notch down and trimmed around the parts storage area.

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I am real happy with the cut, but not happy with the lift mechanism!


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Posted July 19, 2015 - 03:24 PM

Looks good,did you use the 4.5 inch drive pully?

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Posted July 19, 2015 - 03:37 PM

I have the stock pulley on it right now. Tried mowing some more today and the PTO belt disintegrated. I think the stock pulley is 5.5" or larger!



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Posted July 19, 2015 - 05:31 PM

Yeah I measured mine yesterday. Five and a half inches! No wonder the blades seem slow.
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Posted July 20, 2015 - 04:25 AM

Yeah I measured mine yesterday. Five and a half inches! No wonder the blades seem slow.

Found a 5" pulley here. The 4.5" I got from them were very nice pulleys. Not sure if I would go much smaller. Need to see what size the PTO pulley is to figure speed increase.

I mowed a bit more yesterday until the PTO belt gave out. I didn't think it would last too long anyway.






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