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Posted July 01, 2015 - 09:23 AM

I grabbed one of the blades to look into sharpening them and remembered the two outside ones had a piece of inner tube between them and the spindle. Just thought it was used to space the blades down, but found out why. The center bushing protrudes about .06 through the blade.

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Here's the other side.

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And a shot with the tube remains.

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So I either need to find some thicker washers for the bolt head side or 'shave' the bushings. The bushings are 7/8" going through the blade. Could be someone bought some cheaper blades and they were just a bit thinner than originals. The blades don't look to have been sharpened.



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Posted July 01, 2015 - 11:51 AM

I got to thinking again! Dug through some of my 'stash' and found a couple washers that will do just fine.

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Gives me just enough room to compress as I tighten the bolt!

 


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Posted July 01, 2015 - 01:53 PM

It may have originally been equipped with "bellville" cupped spring steel washers.  Then the .006 protrusion wouldn't matter.  It likely started out flush either way.  My JD mowers all use flat washers.


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Posted July 01, 2015 - 04:08 PM

It may have originally been equipped with "bellville" cupped spring steel washers.  Then the .006 protrusion wouldn't matter.  It likely started out flush either way.  My JD mowers all use flat washers.

The parts list has a 'spring' washer listed for there!


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Posted July 09, 2015 - 07:56 AM

Update! Bearings and pulleys are on the way. What is the best way to put these together? Does the lower bearing go in the housing first or does it go on the spindle shaft, then into the housing?



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Posted July 09, 2015 - 09:57 AM

I always find it easier to do the blade side first then the pulley side last


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Posted July 09, 2015 - 10:13 AM

I always find it easier to do the blade side first then the pulley side last


Same here.
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Posted July 09, 2015 - 02:36 PM

The reason I am asking is there is a positive stop for the upper bearing. The sleeve between sets where the lower bearing goes.


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Posted July 09, 2015 - 03:32 PM

The reason I am asking is there is a positive stop for the upper bearing. The sleeve between sets where the lower bearing goes.

 

Then the upper bearing must use a retaining clip on it's top side, otherwise the blade mount could walk upward & wear against the mandrel tube end.  Been so long since working on one of those decks that I can't remember how it's put together.


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Posted July 09, 2015 - 06:17 PM

There is no retaining clip, Daniel. It seems the fit is what sets it all together. I'll know more once I get parts!



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Posted July 10, 2015 - 05:45 PM

Since the bearings will be here tomorrow (hopefully), I got the housings ready. Drilled and tapped for zerks, then squirted some Rust Reformer on them. Got the drive pulley too.

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Posted July 11, 2015 - 10:16 AM

I have the bearings in hand, but the pulleys won't be here until Thursday! Guess the paint will be dry by then!


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Posted July 11, 2015 - 11:22 AM

I painted the pulley and spindle housings this morning. I didn't want a bunch of paint in the pulley groove, so I dug out some 5/8" Backer rod I had and cut a piece to fit around the pulley. Had to tape the ends together to keep in on, but it did the trick.

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The bearing package had a hole in it, so I was concerned about the contents.I took pics before opening just in case. But all was well, Brian wrapped them very well in there.

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Once the paint has dried, I get to figure what 'shim washers' go where.

 



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Posted July 11, 2015 - 02:44 PM

Bearings are installed and the cavity inside filled with grease. I need pulleys!

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I brought the blades in and cleaned the rust off. Then sharpened and balanced them.

 

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The blades look fairly new as they haven't been sharpened until now. I have 2 with some dings, but I'm not going to take that all out at once. It'll be fine for now! Hope to mow some with this setup this year!


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Posted July 16, 2015 - 03:12 PM

I finally got the pulleys this morning! They are a bit thicker through the bore, but they will work!

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Got them all on the spindles!

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Then mounted to the deck!

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I wasn't happy with just the center bolt on the blade. The spindles had 5/16" holes and the blades had 3/8" holes that lined up. So I took the spindle holes out to thread them to 3/8"-24 thread and finished putting them together. Now for belts!2015-07-16 13.43.35.jpg     2015-07-16 13.43.59.jpg


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