Jump to content

Nominations for Tractor of the Month
Garden Tractors and Parts on eBay



Photo
- - - - -

Allis 416S Deck issues!


  • Please log in to reply
43 replies to this topic

#1 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 28, 2015 - 02:38 PM

Got this 416S some time back and just now getting around to the deck issues. It has a 48" deck and all three spindles are VERY hard to turn. Pulled the center/drive spindle out this morning. The deck belt pulley was rusted through, so no saving it. But I got the spindle apart finally. I started pressing things apart about 9AM. It's all stripped now. Time to take another off!

2015-06-28 14.21.15.jpg

 

I will get bearings with only one side shielded and add a grease zerk when it goes back together. No more of this stupid configuration.


  • boyscout862 said thank you

#2 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 28, 2015 - 04:35 PM

And a short while later, the other two are broken down.

 

2015-06-28 15.12.39.jpg     2015-06-28 16.20.53.jpg

 

Bearings I can get from IBT in Tulsa. Not sure on the deck drive pulleys. But I will need all 3 of them! Time to visit the AC parts site!


  • Alc said thank you

#3 Bolens 1000 ONLINE  

Bolens 1000

    DR. Bolens

  • Staff Admin
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 7
  • 12,703 Thanks
  • 17,209 posts
  • Location: Western NY

Posted June 28, 2015 - 04:47 PM

Looks pretty crusty!

 

If you need parts help let me know

 

The bearings look like they are the special dust seal type for mower decks


  • KennyP said thank you

#4 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 28, 2015 - 05:13 PM

Looks pretty crusty!

 

If you need parts help let me know

 

The bearings look like they are the special dust seal type for mower decks

Bearings are the cheap part, $6+/-. Pulleys are $55+ each!

On the bearings, I am going to make this a greasable spindle. So just need a shield on one side.



#5 olcowhand ONLINE  

olcowhand

    Red Tractor Nut & Diesel Addict

  • Staff Admin
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Sponsor
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 20
  • 35,655 Thanks
  • 29,842 posts
  • Location: South Central Kentucky

Posted June 28, 2015 - 05:17 PM

Kenny, check with local TSC or other farm stores & see if they have a "weld a pulley" hub & pulley of the right sizes.


  • KennyP and Cvans have said thanks

#6 Bolens 1000 ONLINE  

Bolens 1000

    DR. Bolens

  • Staff Admin
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 7
  • 12,703 Thanks
  • 17,209 posts
  • Location: Western NY

Posted June 28, 2015 - 05:18 PM

If you can get dimentions I'll gladly try to beat that price for you

Shouldnt be too hard they are just a steel pulley with setscrew and keyway correct?


  • KennyP said thank you

#7 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 28, 2015 - 05:25 PM

If you can get dimentions I'll gladly try to beat that price for you

Shouldnt be too hard they are just a steel pulley with setscrew and keyway correct?

Yep! They are 4.5" od with 3/4" keyed Id. Have to get dimension on the hub, as it is offset even to one side.



#8 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 29, 2015 - 07:13 AM

Here's some pics and the part # for this is 1602881SM. Seems that part # is quite common. The keyway is only 3/16" wide for a woodruff key in the spindle. Looks like the have holes for a set screw, but not used.

Front and rear of the 'decent' one.

2015-06-29 06.56.57.jpg     2015-06-29 06.57.13.jpg

 

This is the other two. Notice they look pressed on. May be able to save those centers.

2015-06-29 07.02.56.jpg

 

I'm going to look at the first one more and see why it looks so different at the center. Oh yeah, the hub length is right at 7/8".



#9 Bolens 1000 ONLINE  

Bolens 1000

    DR. Bolens

  • Staff Admin
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 7
  • 12,703 Thanks
  • 17,209 posts
  • Location: Western NY

Posted June 29, 2015 - 07:39 AM

I'll do some digging, turned up empty with the common sizes that go up till about 4'', now will have to contact the pulley company and see what they have.


  • KennyP said thank you

#10 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 29, 2015 - 08:05 AM

I'll see if I can get one of those centers out and check TSC's weld on pulleys for fit too.



#11 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 29, 2015 - 09:05 AM

Got both the centers out of the 2 bad pulleys. The small diameter for them to fit in is 1-3/16". I think I can get the other center out also, but will wait until I see if the weld on pulleys will work.

2015-06-29 08.42.46.jpg

 

Also found a bearing #. Fafnir 204RR6  EB729. I am not positive on that 2 in 729 as the punch hit there when I knocked it out of the housing.


  • Alc said thank you

#12 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 29, 2015 - 05:50 PM

I brought the deck up and put it on saw horses as there was an issue with the bottom side.

2015-06-29 13.40.45.jpg

 

Notice the right side, the baffle is bent pretty seriously. Didn't take long with the impact to get thing apart. I did what I could to straighten things out. Here is the results.

2015-06-29 14.54.21.jpg

 

Just waiting for parts now!

 

 


  • olcowhand and Alc have said thanks

#13 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 30, 2015 - 08:28 AM

Been surfing the web looking into bearing and pulley prices. Cheapest on the bearings (2108202SM) is Jack's at $6.15 each. The best on pulleys so far is here. The info I have found about the weld-a-hub is that the center hole for the hub is 1-5/8". My hubs are 1-3/16". If any of the sponsors can beat those prices, I'll gladly get them from you!


  • olcowhand said thank you

#14 Bolens 1000 ONLINE  

Bolens 1000

    DR. Bolens

  • Staff Admin
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 7
  • 12,703 Thanks
  • 17,209 posts
  • Location: Western NY

Posted June 30, 2015 - 08:58 AM

Thats a good deal for the pulleys, I couldnt beat that

 

The bearings they are  crossing are just the regular cheap rubber seal bearings , I can do $6.90ea on those  and probably save you money on the freight you would pay from jacks but looking at your pics the oem bearings you had in there look to be the trash guard type which are meant for deck applications , those run $ 10.17ea . If your thinking on using this machine as a regular mower I'd definitely recommend the trash guard type with single side seal


  • KennyP said thank you

#15 KennyP ONLINE  

KennyP

    FORDoholic

  • Super Moderator
  • Staff
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2253
  • 28,521 Thanks
  • 39,741 posts
  • Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Posted June 30, 2015 - 02:17 PM

Thanks Brian! Glad to see someone is looking farther than I am! I'll think on it for a few days, as I would like to use this as an everyday mower. Gotta get the $ together to do all this too! My zip is 74021, so if you can figure shipping into that $10.17 X 6 that would help me allocate funds. PM that info and stay tuned!


  • Bolens 1000 said thank you




Top