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Posted June 25, 2015 - 09:02 PM

This is a tractor I'm trying to get running, 1963 Ford 2000.

It has the 134 gas engine and I don't know how many decades it sat after it last ran. 

Motor has oil, coolant, and cranks over with some compression.

It does fire and try to run but doesn't seem to hit hard enough to run on its own.

 

Question

 

What voltage is this suppose to be? 

6 volt, 12 volt,

positive ground, negative ground?

 

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Posted June 25, 2015 - 09:09 PM

12 volt, negative ground.

 

How's the distributor look?


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Posted June 25, 2015 - 09:16 PM

Tractor Data says its positive ground.  Doesn't mention voltage. 

I don't have a clue.

 

I imagine the later 3 cylinder 2000's were 12 volt negative ground but the older 4 cylinders could very well be different.


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Posted June 25, 2015 - 09:38 PM

Found this:

 

http://www.yesterday...ctor-Parts.html


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Posted June 25, 2015 - 09:39 PM

Here is a kit for a 12 volt conversion

 

http://www.yesterday...ion-Kit_503.htm



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Posted June 25, 2015 - 10:24 PM

This is a tractor I'm trying to get running, 1963 Ford 2000.

It has the 134 gas engine and I don't know how many decades it sat after it last ran. 

Motor has oil, coolant, and cranks over with some compression.

It does fire and try to run but doesn't seem to hit hard enough to run on its own.

 

The correct firing order is 1-2-4-3 if the rotor turns clockwise.

 

If the rotor turns counter-clockwise, the firing order is 1-3-4-2.

 

#1 cylinder is closest to the radiator.

 

#1 terminal on distributor cap should be labeled, but the wires could be installed in different terminals, as long as the firing order is correct. 

 

There should be a small clip between the distributor shaft and the rotor.  ....If this clip is missing, the timing is erratic.

 

The plug wire connections at the cap are not obvious in your pic.

 

For some reason, people screw up the firing order on these engines quite often.  ...Engine will usually start, but lack power, or not run properly.

 

Ford used a 6 volt positive ground system on gas tractors then went to 12 volt negative ground systems.  ...I'm not sure when the 6 volt systems were phased out, but they were used into the late 1950's.


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Posted June 25, 2015 - 10:47 PM

When I first tried to get it going I did the usual, change oil and filter, new plugs, points, condenser, rotor, inside the cap looks good.

I swaped the carb for a know good one and put on a new sediment bowl assembly and flushed out the fuel tank, it was really grungy inside, not sure if it's clean enough. ??? 

Couldn't get it to run on it's own even by spraying carb cleaner in the carb. It will fire and try to run but when the starter is not turning the engine over it won't stay running.

 

I hooked up a 12volt battery to the starter both ways, positive ground and negative ground, starter turns same direction both ways.

I was able to get spark at the plugs, hooking the 12volt battery directly up to the coil, negative ground. 

I want to hook this up the right way but don't know what way that is. ???

 

I don't want to spend a lot of $$$ on this as it is not mine and the fellow that owns it doesn't want to put any into it. Just get it going.

 

I figure to try again this time with a temporary fuel tank hooked up to the carb, check inside the carb make sure it's clean and hook up the ignition so I get spark at the plug.

 

Just wanted to know when it was made what was it, 6volt, or 12volt, pos or neg ground.

 

 

 



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Posted June 26, 2015 - 12:34 AM

The starter will turn the same way positive or negative ground unless you change the internal wiring on the field coils--sorry I'm no other help.


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Posted June 26, 2015 - 06:21 AM

It should have left the factory as a six volt positive ground system.
If it were a diesal it would have been twelve volt negitive ground.

But, you should have just hooked up the battery the way it was last installed.
The battery terminals are diferent sizes. Battery cable ends are sized differently to suit.

I'd suggest you check the compression before doing anything else.

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Posted June 26, 2015 - 07:12 AM

It should have left the factory as a six volt positive ground system.
If it were a diesal it would have been twelve volt negitive ground.

But, you should have just hooked up the battery the way it was last installed.
The battery terminals are diferent sizes. Battery cable ends are sized differently to suit.

I'd suggest you check the compression before doing anything else.

Joe

Rings may be stuck. Sometimes running them long enough to get HEAT into the rings will loosen the up.


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Posted June 26, 2015 - 09:25 AM

A 6 volt battery will only have 3 cells (fill caps), the 12 volt battery has 6 cells.
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Posted June 26, 2015 - 09:59 AM

There are two screws that hold the points mounting plate into the bottom of the distributor. If they become loose or corroded the points can't ground properly. Your engine will run erratically or not at all. Check all the screws inside the distributor and make certain they are tight.

Trying turning the engine over when it's dark outside and see if you can find any arcing in the ignition system. 

  Be careful around moving parts. 


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Posted June 26, 2015 - 03:53 PM

Pop out a head light and see if it's marked 6volt or 12volt ---most are stamped with the voltage---almost all 6volt systems are positive ground.

AS critters said the rings are probably stuck --they should free up after getting some heat in the engine.

after you get it running you may have to flash the regulator to make the charging system work but do that with engine off


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Posted June 26, 2015 - 09:54 PM

Pull the plugs and squirt some Marvel Mystery Oil in each cylinder. I would let it soak for at least a day.



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Posted June 29, 2015 - 11:03 AM

Pull the plugs and squirt some Marvel Mystery Oil in each cylinder. I would let it soak for at least a day.

 

I was going to suggest some ATF into each cylinder and letting it sit for two or three days to free up the rings if they are stuck.  






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