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#1 KennyP ONLINE  

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Posted May 22, 2015 - 07:05 AM

Some of you older members will remember my Ford LGT165. I spent a lot of time on this tractor a while back, but the engine broke on it. I have finally found a replacement for it. I bought an AC 416S for a parts machine this last winter and found it had a good running K341 on it, though it was a wide base engine. I posted here on checking to see if it would work with the Ford oil pan (narrow pan). While I had the pan off, I found it had balance gears in it and they were loose. So yesterday I took the engine apart to remove the gears.

The first thing I found was a very clean stator and flywheel.

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Here's a shot looking in from the pan.

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I had to take the head off and remove the piston/rod to get the crank out. Then I could get to the snap rings for the balance gears. My snap ring pliers weren't small enough for these, so I had to get creative to remove them. Finally got those off and pulled the gears.

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Here's a shot of the bore. I don't think this engine has very many hours on it as the hone marks are very visible.

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Here's a couple shots after I got the piston back in. It has been bored to .030 over. The carbon was oil soaked and came off the piston easily. You can still make out the ink from the part # on it.

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I got out the plate glass (almost .400 thick) and sandpaper to check the head. Good thing I did.

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I put it all back together, new head gasket was installed. The front cover gasket was in great shape and stayed on the block. Before putting the flywheel back on, I cleaned the timing marks and use a tire crayon to highlight them.
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Last thing for the day was to bring the Ford up so I can start dissecting it to pull the engine. All the front sheet metal and braces have to come off. I am hoping I don't have to pull the rear PTO shaft off, but we'll just have to see. That is a PITA to get realigned.

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We have rain in the forecast for the weekend, so I am unsure if I will get much done. I'll have lots of pics as I get into this, so stay tuned. It's going to be nice to have this tractor running again. I miss that foot pedal hydro.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 10:11 AM

Looks like the engine is in good condition.  Nice looking Ford you have there.  Good luck with the project.


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 12:03 PM

Nothing going on today as the sky is falling and I might melt out there!


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 12:46 PM

Nice tractor , I have one. I did not find the rear pto shaft to bad to remove and put back on when I had my engine out. Your tractor is in nice shape, only difference is my rear wheel fender section is white instead of blue. Noel


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 12:54 PM

It may have been that there were no shims to speak of at the center bearings and I had to get that set right. Mine has 2 center bearings and the nuts are hard to get to inside the frame. What I am hoping is I can take the front bracket off the engine and rotate it out of the way. I'll have to juggle the engine mount out from under the shaft. Been a while since I did all this. I'll take lots of pics before I take things apart so I can put it back together easier. When I first pulled the engine for rings, the PTO had to come off for bearing replacement.


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 01:05 PM

Good thought on rotating, and my shaft has one bearing under the gas tank, bolts are hard to get at, and one bearing at the back.  Noel


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Posted May 22, 2015 - 05:23 PM

Good luck Ken , keep us posted. :camera:  Tom


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Posted May 23, 2015 - 07:37 AM

No rain since yesterday, so I may get this engine out today! Gonna try at least.


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Posted May 23, 2015 - 08:59 AM

Well, may not get started. Showers have popped up just SW of Tulsa headed this way! Watching the radar!


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Posted May 23, 2015 - 06:08 PM

WARNING: Lots of pics!

The rain held off long enough to get the engine out! Got a couple issues to fix before it goes back together. One is the first 3 pics. The hood is not square with the dash. The muffler shroud is not letting the left side come back as it should. That will be fixed.

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This is what is looks like without the sheet metal. Also, the muffler shroud is right out front here.

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A couple pics for getting things back right.

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The muffler is in need of some major rework. Things are real loose inside. I'll address that a little later.

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The engine is out thanks to Steve helping me. 1-1/2 hours time, but I was looking at things before I took it apart.

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Here's the engine bay of the tractor.

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Next is taking things off this engine needed for the 'new' one. Exhaust elbow was one thing needed. I put some Acetone/ATF mix on it while it was still in the tractor. Got the lock ring loose and started to back it out. Not going to happen with the governor arm in the way. Time to take that off.

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Got that and some of the tins swapped over.

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Went to put the governor arm back on and found the Ford arm has an offset to clear the tins, so I put it on there.

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Here's some pics of where I am at now. Have to leave the top open so I can retorque the head.

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I decided to see what was loose inside the muffler since the engine is ready to go back in other than the oil pan.

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As you can see, the guts came apart. Not sure if I can salvage it. It is a Nelson 4N76, NLA as far as I know. If there is one available, I'd have to get a loan to buy it! I'll see what I can do to piece it back together and look for a replacement.

 

 

 

 


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Posted May 23, 2015 - 09:35 PM

Take a look at this

 

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Posted May 24, 2015 - 05:03 AM

The Walker 22020 looks like it will work fine for the closed side box. $80 and up now.

 

I have an idea on the original one, may be a bit loud, but still work for now.


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Posted May 24, 2015 - 06:28 AM

Thanks for posting this Kenny. I remember that 165 from way back when you lived in town and it was your main tractor. 


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Posted May 24, 2015 - 06:30 AM

Good show Kenny I'm glad your putting the old girl Back together!
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Posted May 24, 2015 - 08:47 AM

  :watch_over_fence:  looking good.


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