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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:25 PM

Remember the announcement about Windows 10 being free to windows 7 & 8 users?  Well there is a reason for that.  Looks like Windows is going to a rolling release scheme that will require you to buy a subscription for updates and the latest and greatest.

 

 

Nixon was explaining how Microsoft was launching Windows 8.1 last year, but in the background it was developing Windows 10. Now, Microsoft employees can talk freely about future updates to Windows 10 because there's no secret update in the works coming next. It's all just Windows 10. While it immediately sounds like Microsoft is killing off Windows and not doing future versions, the reality is a little more complex. The future is "Windows as a service."

 

Here is the article that talks about this new service. No pricing yet but I promise it will be coming.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:38 PM

Did they give any start dates on the price gauging? :wallbanging:


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:41 PM

Remember the announcement about Windows 10 being free to windows 7 & 8 users?  Well there is a reason for that.  Looks like Windows is going to a rolling release scheme that will require you to buy a subscription for updates and the latest and greatest.

 

 

Here is the article that talks about this new service. No pricing yet but I promise it will be coming.

I can't get the link to go any where, Bill.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:47 PM

If they are serious this will lead more people to the Linux and OS X alternatives.  I keep a Win7 machine around just to have... but that would go away in the future.  


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:49 PM

Try that Kenny.  Should work now.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:50 PM

Did they give any start dates on the price gauging? :wallbanging:

 

No dates yet, they have to release Windows 10 first and I believe that won't be until the fall.  Not sure though.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 02:57 PM

If they are serious this will lead more people to the Linux and OS X alternatives.  I keep a Win7 machine around just to have... but that would go away in the future.  

 

Your right.  if this is the model M$ is going to follow a lot of corporations will be taking a serious look at alternatives.  But the good news is that Windows 7 will be supported for another year or two and 8 a bit longer.  But once support runs out for 7 & 8 then when you buy a new PC with Windows it will come with some kind of subscription.

 

On the flip side is that you will not have to install another version of Windows you will always have the latest version installed.  I'm interested to see how they will deal with the hardware issue.  Also how much of a nightmare is it going to be when you have to do a reinstall after the system is loaded up with virus', malware, spyware, ransomeware etc.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:20 PM

If you don't plan on using MS Office 365 or upgrading to Pro,Pro Media Center edition,Enterprise edition ect ect it's completely free.

 

Found this little write up.It shows how they're gona make bank on win 10.It's not as bad as it sounds.All OS updates and security updates will continue to be free.

 

Microsoft has yet to reveal the pricing structure for Windows 10, but all the speculation out there seems to point to something completely different from the way that Microsoft has sold Windows in the past. The one rumor that seems to carry the most weight is a subscription model similar to what Microsoft has already set up for Office 365.

Instead of buying Office 365, you essentially rent it by the month or by the year. You install the Office package and run the actual applications on your system, just like in the past. The only difference is how you pay for it. Instead of forking out a big bundle of cash up front, you pay as you go.

You can rent a single copy of Office 365, called the Personal package, for $6.99 a month or $69.99 for a year. You can rent five copies of Office 365, called the Home package, for $9.99 a month or $99.99 for a year. The only requirement is that you get online at least once every 30 days in order for Office to call home and verify your subscription. Other than that, Office 365 looks and feels exactly like Office 2013.

So, if we were to take this pricing model and apply it to Windows 10, what would it look like?

Let's start by using the price of Office 2013 Professional vs. the price of Office 365 Personal as a base. We'll use Office 2013 Professional, since it comes with the same set of applications as Office 365. Office 2013 Professional currently costs $399.99 and Office 365 Personal goes for $69.99. If we take a percentage, we find that $69.99 is roughly 17.5% of $399.99.

Let's now take the price of Windows 8.1 Pro ($199.99) and suppose that's what the price of Windows 10 would be. If we use the percentage we found for Office 365 Personal and apply it to Windows 10 (17.5% of $199) we can guess that a Windows 10 rental would go for $34.99 per year. That's not too bad.

Now, if we look back at the Windows 7 FamilyPack deal Microsoft made available, we can see that the company is not averse to selling the Windows operating system as a package. While that package only came with three copies, we can speculate that since Office 365 comes as a five copy package, it would make sense that Windows 10 would be available as five copy package for bundling purposes.

If we take a percentage of the Office 365 Home, we find that $99.99 is roughly 25% of $399.99. If we then take that same percentage and apply it to Windows 10 (25% of $199.99) we can guess that a five copy Windows 10 rental would go for $49.99 per year. Again, not too bad.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:26 PM

At its press event today, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users during its first year of availability. There was some confusion, however, when Microsoft's Terry Myerson started talking about Windows 10 "as a service." Did that mean that after that first year of free availability, Windows 10 would cost an annual fee? I asked Myerson for clarification after the presentation, and he confirmed that there will be no additional fees attached to Windows 10, whenever you buy it.

Myerson clarified that Windows 10 users will still get free updates and support for the lifetime of the OS, exactly like past versions of Windows (like XP and Windows 7's Service Packs, for example). There's no subscription model for updates or support or continuing to use the OS. Myerson's reference to Windows "as a service" simply meant that Microsoft plans to update the OS with smaller, more regular updates rather than the big, chunky updates of past Service Packs.

A year after Windows 10 is first available, it will no longer be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and 8 users. Microsoft will then sell Windows 10 the same way it has sold past versions of Windows. MS hasn't set a specific price yet, but Myerson said the price will likely be comparable to past versions of Windows. Windows 8 costs $120 on Amazon, for instance.

Update: It seems there's still confusion. It is very clear from this post that for the first year it's available, you can upgrade to Windows 10 for free if you have Windows 7 or 8. You will not pay for it. After that year is up, nothing will happen to your Windows 10 license. If you do not upgrade within that year, however, you will have to pay for an upgrade. The offer expires after a year, not the upgrade.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:43 PM

BTW I have been running win 10 preview since January.It's faster and more stable than win 8.1 so far.Win 8 and 8.1 is much faster than 7 ever was.

 

Win 8 was a bit wonky with the app crap,no start menu and it used [WDDM] Windows Display Driver Model 1.1 and that was designed to be used with Win 7 ONLY but they did have a 1.2 Update.1.1 caused ALOT of driver incompatibility problems in win 8.

 

Win 7 was great at the time but required more Memory usage.

 

Win 8.1 has great memory management and driver compatibility but still has a slightly Wonky Start menu.

 

Win 10 has a fully customizable start menu and so far it does everything I need it to.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:43 PM

Only time will tell how they price Windows 10, right now it is all speculation but if Windows 10 is the last version of Windows then that means it will become a rolling release OS. If what you posted above is hold true then M$ will end up losing a lot of $$$ and from what I have read about their stock I'm not sure they can afford to loss that much on their corner stone product.  It will be interesting for sure.

 

If they do go with a subscription then if the user isn't careful they could end up paying M$ as much per month as they do the cable or cell phone company and we know how those bills are.  Those subscriptions could start adding up.  Thanks for adding to the conversation.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:45 PM

I've never trusted Bill Gates.

His eyes are too close together.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:45 PM

BTW I have been running win 10 preview since January.It's faster and more stable than win 8.1 so far.Win 8 and 8.1 is much faster than 7 ever was.

 

Win 8 was a bit wonky with the app crap,no start menu and it used [WDDM] Windows Display Driver Model 1.1 and that was designed to be used with Win 7 ONLY but they did have a 1.2 Update.1.1 caused ALOT of driver incompatibility problems in win 8.

 

Win 7 was great at the time but required more Memory usage.

 

Win 8.1 has great memory management and driver compatibility but still has a slightly Wonky Start menu.

 

Win 10 has a fully customizable start menu and so far it does everything I need it to.

 

How do you add / install applications in Windows 10?  I heard they were going to the repository method.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 04:46 PM

LoL MS loose money?  They make Tens of Millions off of all those little Apps they sell for $4.95.That's how they made up for the Free upgrade from win 8 to Win 8.1.


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Posted May 11, 2015 - 05:01 PM

How do you add / install applications in Windows 10?  I heard they were going to the repository method.

 

 

Apps use repository method as you seen in win 8 and 8.1 windows store.It's like buying an APP on your smart phone.It works alot like the Package Manager on Ubuntu 12.04.That used a "Software Center" that worked like the "Store App" on win 8 and 8.1.

 

Applications install the same way as all previous versions of windows.Don't worry it's quite user friendly.


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