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Posted April 06, 2015 - 01:28 PM

So, I came across this in a guy's shed today.  He said the handles are shot (need to make new ones) and that it needs the casting for mounting the mag to be welded.  I was thinking of making him an offer.  What is one of these worth in that condition?  I know the pictures are terrible, but as you can see, it was the best I could do without pulling his shed apart.  All I know is that they are awesome.  What can you guys tell me about it; what do you see wrong with it.  It must be missing an air cleaner of some kind.  Any idea of the year?  I know they're really early.  I couldn't see if it had an attachment or not.  I don't see them every day so I thought I better think think about this one.  It isn't listed for sale anywhere.  I just don't know what these are worth and what would be a fair price for it.

 

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Posted April 06, 2015 - 01:48 PM

That sytle tread on the wheels make it pre 20. If it has the 6 spoke wheels like it looks, probably 17/18 range. Did the mag mount front to back or side to side? Looks like front to back mount. I probably have a spare mount. The carb is wrong. It should have a 4 ball Kingston but the Holley NH was a later replacement. Missing the bee hive air cleaner, the gas tank, radiator cap and side shields that I can see. Is the engine stuck? Can you see a serial number below the radiator? It's usually on the left when you are facing it and stamped into the oil pan.


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 01:58 PM

Doug, as always, you are a wealth of information.  I wish I had the answers to your questions.  By the time the owner and I had walked around for awhile and got to this tractor, he needed a rest.  If I'm serious about it, I'll need to pull it out, look for the answers to your questions, and also take many more pictures.  I think it can be bought for $400-$500, but that's a guess.  I also know I'd be putting money into it.  They sure are awfully neat ....



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Posted April 06, 2015 - 02:27 PM

At that price range i think it would be worth pulling out for a closer look. The handles themselves are just round tube with a casting on the top. If the castings are there the rest would be easy.


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 05:44 PM

I will definitely take a closer look, maybe in a week or so.  Also, he has a ton of walk behinds in various states of repair, but here three others I find interesting in his collection and may have to look into:

 

Gravely Model D:

 

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Red E:

 

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Standard Twin (covered up) with sickle bar and sulky:

 

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Posted April 06, 2015 - 05:56 PM

Nice finds, what a honey hole!

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Posted April 06, 2015 - 06:12 PM

Never understand how folks hold on to old stuff like this till rotten, instead of selling off. You say he's old and ill. Would think he would need the cash to live now, not just barns of junk.Who they think is gonna care once he's gone? Next in line will just scrap and have that money then and be accepting of that outcome.

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Posted April 08, 2015 - 06:15 AM

Never understand how folks hold on to old stuff like this till rotten, instead of selling off. You say he's old and ill. Would think he would need the cash to live now, not just barns of junk.Who they think is gonna care once he's gone? Next in line will just scrap and have that money then and be accepting of that outcome.

 

Based on the time I've spent with him, I'd say it brings him a good deal of joy to have these tractors, to save them and cherish them.  He's a very nice gentleman who is truly sad to have to start selling his collection.  He's been a collector for many, many years, for far longer than I've been alive, and it's very much a part of him.  It's very much like visiting a museum, and the curator is both knowledgeable and a whole lot of fun to talk to.  He has a story for each and every piece, which is amazing.  It's a lifetime of learning and memories with physical reminders everywhere, and I don't blame him for not wanting to let go.


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Posted April 08, 2015 - 08:53 PM

I have had a couple friends like that in the classic car hobby and those stories/memories are precious to me even when I couldn't afford any of their treasures. Hope you can preserve some of these units for another generation because glgrumpy is right on the mark, most heirs just don't have the same passion for these that other collectors do.



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Posted April 09, 2015 - 10:15 AM

I'm going to be helping him find homes for everything, so hopefully everything will find a nice, new home.


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Posted April 11, 2015 - 07:37 AM

How do you hook the plow up on the back of the sulky ?? Any pictures ??

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Posted April 19, 2015 - 06:41 AM

Well, I picked up the Beeman. I think it's a 1918, but please correct me if I'm wrong. It's going to take some work, and I'll have to make a couple of parts and get a couple of castings welded and track down a couple of parts, but it's mostly there and it's not seized. In the very least, I should have some fun and learn a lot trying to get it operable.

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Posted April 21, 2015 - 07:59 PM

Nice save Jamie. Looks like an interesting project...Dave



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Posted May 02, 2015 - 05:32 PM

Today I took the head off the Beeman to see what I could see. I am no expert, but the cylinder wall looks fine to me and the piston moves as it should. Neither one of the valves moves though (and you can see the exhaust valve is covered with a pretty thick layer of carbon). So, no valves moving, no magneto shaft turning and no fan turning (although as of yet I have no idea exactly how it's driven). I'm thinking perhaps a camshaft issue, given that neither valve is working, nor is the magneto shaft? More exploration needed, clearly. So, I'm thinking that my next step is to take the wheels off as it looks as if there are covers behind the wheel on the side of the block, hopefully to access the cam and what not. I didn't really take a good look at it, to be honest, as time was short. This will be my first time really taking apart an engine like this, so it will be a real learning experience. Please feel free to give me advice on this little guy as I'm very much making this up as I go. While I am mechanically inclined (obviously, or I wouldn't be here), this is new to me, and this engine isn't quite the same as what I'm more used to working on. Obviously, the principles are the same, but some of the particulars are new to me.  Anyway, I'm guessing that the flywheels and the drive wheels are going to be bears to remove, but that's my next step.  I want to see if I can address how sloppy they are, as I think are fairly sloppy and I'd like to be able to tighten them up somehow.  Also, from what I can see in the 10 seconds I looked at it, it looks like it may free up access to the camshaft and what not.  Based on what I saw today and my current working theory, I'm going to look into the camshaft next to see what I can see.  If anyone has any advice or alternative theories/suggestions, I'm all ears.  As much as I love working on this kind of stuff, I prefer to disassemble as little as possible, so as to risk breaking something as little as possible.  By the way, this little guy is one solid chunk of cast iron.  What a little beast.  By the way, does anyone know if Beeman used Ford model T parts?  I know the carb is, and I've heard that other parts are too.

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Posted May 02, 2015 - 07:43 PM

I just came across some great info that should be a big help.  I'll post again soon once I know more.  






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