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#1 Paulgo OFFLINE  

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Posted April 05, 2015 - 03:54 PM

I've been looking for a while, but all I've been seeing are ads by other folks wanting to buy loaders for their GTs. When this popped up I decided to take the 435 mile round trip over to Iron Mt. MI and get it. It's a Wagner loader bucket and frame, but it is an industrial model built for working in mine tunnels. It's called a Scoopy and I intend to find a way of using it on either a 16 or 17 in the Bolens QT series. Should be an interesting project...

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Posted April 05, 2015 - 04:11 PM

Welcome aboard.  Good luck on your project.


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Posted April 05, 2015 - 04:46 PM

The size is perfect for one of my QTs. The bucket is 32" wide and there are 24.5 inches between the frame rails. The QT hood is 20" inches wide. The frame rails are long enough to come all the way back to uprights just in front of the back tires. I'll have to build those. More on that later. The first thing I have to do is cut a lot of weight off this thing. It is ridiculously over-built. The bucket is made of 1/8"+ galvanized steel. That is great, but the frame rails are 4" x 3" by a fat 1/4" L channel. I'm thinking I can leave them fat at the ends and shave 1"? strips off lengthwise in between. I can also drop a few pounds of cross bracing. The trick will be figuring out how much to take off without making it weak. I understand that using square tube would be better, but I am HOPING to design around what I have.  The L sections can be swapped for tube later?  Am totally open to suggestions.

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Posted April 05, 2015 - 06:55 PM

Nice find.


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Posted April 05, 2015 - 07:02 PM

Seems if you need to change That much, should just make your own from scratch or buy more appropriate loader to start with. What'd ya get with this buy? The bucket?
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Posted April 05, 2015 - 07:47 PM

Seems if you need to change That much, should just make your own from scratch or buy more appropriate loader to start with. What'd ya get with this buy? The bucket?

I got the bucket and ram to operate it.  The frame isn't right, but all the attachment points and pin mounts are there.  There's even grease fittings everywhere.  If nothing else, the existing frame makes a nice template.  Starting "from scratch" is easier for some than others.  Would have loved to buy a "more appropriate loader", but here in the upper peninsula of Michigan there isn't much to choose from.


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 07:32 AM

I got the bucket and the center cylinder to operate it.  Building arms for it won't be too bad.  As for the current frame, maybe I can use the swivel ends, the center cylinder mount and the two side cylinder mounts?  I paid $150 and took a day trip.  Hoping the bucket is worth that.  Haven't seen anything else available.  

What size tubing should I look for?

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Posted April 06, 2015 - 07:48 AM

How heavy is heavy?


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 09:48 AM

Thats not over built at all..the FEL on my Ingersoll 6018 looks to be much heavier than what you have there..I would work with what I have or your going to be disappointed with how flimsy what you end up with is.


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 09:50 AM

This is just a random Photo from the webernet of the FEL on the 6018/646 646b-3.jpg


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 02:51 PM

How heavy is heavy?

Still not sure what I am going to do.  Lots of scheming ahead.  The current weight is right about 360 pounds for the arms, bucket, and center lift cylinder!


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Posted April 06, 2015 - 04:18 PM

I would use 2 x 4 rectangular tubing like most do. 1/8 or slightly thicker wall. Use big all-new tri-angles where arms bend, that can also be cylinder mount. A good 2x12 or so cross-tube 1/2 way down front arms for twist resistance and mount area for bucket cylinders. Look at Power King loaders or pictures. Might be good idea to order plans from say Cadplans or others just to study, maybe use ideas.Pf plans use 2x2's, don't like that, but could change that also.

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