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Montgomery Ward hydrostatic 14 Gilson model GIL33048c need help please

gilson montgomery ward hydrostatic pto wiring diagram schematic start switch safety

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#1 Pdp2589 OFFLINE  

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Posted March 04, 2015 - 11:00 AM

This tractor is in perfect condition for 45 years old. Everything works great mechanically. When i take a jumper cable from the battery to the starter motor it fires up and pushes dirt. But the key switch doesnt work along with many other things electrical.
I pulled the battery and gas tank out. Underneath is the key switch the starter solinoid the voltage regulator the saftey switches and other wires and such. It looks like a kindergartener took his sharp scissors and went to town on it. It seems every wire has been cut, yanked, moved, replaced or new used. I know the solinoid works but the wiring needs a clean sweep re do. And the springs for saftey switches seem to be missing. What do i do and how do i do it? Im no electrician by any means.

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Posted March 04, 2015 - 01:45 PM

I would drive over and help but it would take a week to get there. :wave:

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Posted March 04, 2015 - 01:46 PM

You are going to have to find a wiring diagram for it. Try our Manuals Section. Clean and test the components. Get a wiring kit and rewire the tractor. It can be a slow process but, when done right, it should all work right. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted March 04, 2015 - 02:24 PM

Ouch Gilson/Wards with bad wiring.All I remember with mine was the wiring was pretty complex.Especially for the Lights.The switch was a 3 position Battery On/Off/Charging system On config and it had wires everywhere.Forgot it also had a PTO On/Off light and some had a tail light.

 

 

Does yours have a starter generator? or just the dual circuit AC/DC with gear drive starter?

 

 

Can't find any manuals for your tractor yet but I'm still digging.


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Posted March 04, 2015 - 05:04 PM

The condition of your wiring is pretty typical for a lot of these older tractors. My advice is to find the diagram for that model and redo all the wiring. You may also want to replace the ignition switch and any other switches that are cheap and easy to replace. I've had to do that to several tractors in the last few years. If you replace it all now you'll end up with a much more reliable tractor. 


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Posted March 05, 2015 - 01:47 PM

Thank you everyone! I found the wiring diagram for my wards gilson GIL33048c lawn and garden tractor. I also got a manual for almost all gilsons haha, ill attach.
I do have one more problem and i think i will need pics for this. The safety switch for the foot pedal and PTO lever are not on the wireing diagram and i dont know how to fix, check, or replace them. Any help?

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Posted March 05, 2015 - 04:24 PM

They can be wired in series with the small wire going to the starter solenoid. 

Look on your diagram for the wire that goes between the ignition switch an the starter solenoid. That's the wire you want. That way the PTO will have to be disengaged and and your foot pedal depressed before the solenoid will pull in. You need to check and make sure both of those switches are in the closed position (you have continuity through them) when they are depressed.


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Posted March 05, 2015 - 08:56 PM

So the spring that touches the pto lever and the spring that touches the foot pedal just need wires attached to them and spliced into the started wire from switch?

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Posted March 06, 2015 - 11:20 AM

Can you post a photo of the switches? Is there two terminals on each switch? I will try and draw you a simple schematic.


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Posted March 06, 2015 - 01:21 PM

Ive only heard of the switches, and they are more like springs that touch the lever and pedal with wires sticking out of them. I was actually hoping to get a pic from someone that has a same or similar teactor to show me where they are what they look like, how the are installed and how they are wired. My tractor is so torn up im not sure my pics will be accurate. Heres some pics of a 16hp manual not a 14hp

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Posted March 06, 2015 - 01:37 PM

It appears to me that the solenoid is not actually touching the frame there fore not grounded. The springs do the grounding. So theoretically i could just remove the insulated washers so that the solenoid is grounded just by bolting to the frame. Then the foot pedal and pto lever would not need to be specifically disengaged to turn key?
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Posted March 06, 2015 - 03:34 PM

I have to admit that I have never seen a solenoid mounted like that before. Sounds like your on the right track. Let us know how it works out. Never owned or worked on a Gilson or Monkey Wards tractor before. 


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Posted March 06, 2015 - 08:55 PM

Yea its been a pain, just want that key to turn and fire up instead of jumping the starter every time

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Posted March 07, 2015 - 10:40 AM

You can ground the solenoid, that is the way mine is done.  You may try to clean the springs and contact points, but my Grandpa could not keep them clean enough to work, thus he bypassed them.


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Posted March 07, 2015 - 04:23 PM

Sprint 6, Can u explain how and maybe take some pics for me? I would love the help





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