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#16 haykarenhardy OFFLINE  

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Posted January 25, 2015 - 08:08 AM

Thanks everyone. I'll do some testing on the current setup this weekend. It may just be a bad connection. One thing that I question is why have a 15 amp stator with only a 10 amp regulator/rectifier? Especially on a tractor with electric lift?

Simplicity Did the same kind of thing, offered electric lift as add on if you wanted it in 7000 and 7100 series. They did have a 22 nf battery standard. I have electric lift and use it for snow plow and tiller. I think you will be all right for an hour or so of use.

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Posted January 25, 2015 - 09:10 AM

Just figured out how this engine gets fire! It is a 'breakerless' ignition. A third wire from the stator powers the 'trigger' which fires the coil. So, when running, no power from battery for that. Also, the tiller runs off the hydro drive and not the PTO. So power is not needed there. I should be okay if I use the regulator I have hooked up right now, even if I am not getting full amps. That is if the battery is good, which it is a fairly new 360 AMP HR GT sized battery. All I can do is give it a whirl! I'll put it back together this morning and see what happens since I have cleaned things up (rust removal and wasp nests). I do need to clean the connections on the amp gauge too.


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Posted January 25, 2015 - 09:42 AM

As long as the 10 amp system is working correctly, you should be fine.  You don't see many of the K series with the solid state ignition.


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Posted January 25, 2015 - 09:50 AM

This is my first one, Daniel. I looked up testing the stator on the 10 amp system and anything above 20 V AC is okay. I'll clean connections and see what I get back to the battery.



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Posted January 25, 2015 - 10:48 AM

Kenny , I think you would need more then 20 volts a/c  to get  13.5v d/c or more so it would charge the battery.



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Posted January 25, 2015 - 10:48 AM

I went out and got the flywheel back on and the 'trigger' set at .005" clearance. Had to come back in as my hands were freezing. It is 52°, but the wind is out of the NW with gusts above 30 MPH and the tractor is not in the Sun!



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Posted January 25, 2015 - 10:55 AM

Kenny , I think you would need more then 20 volts a/c  to get  13.5v d/c or more so it would charge the battery.

According to the Kohler Service manual on the 10 amp system, above 20 V AC is a good stator. As far as battery voltage, I know I need to clean some connections. The reading at the battery I got before was still climbing with the 20 amp regulator inline. I don't want to fully charge the battery, as I am using it to test what I have going right now. I hope to have it back together today and see what I get now!


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Posted January 25, 2015 - 01:16 PM

I gave up for today! That wind is blasting and it got cloudy, so it won't get any better. I'll get out tomorrow.



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Posted January 25, 2015 - 03:47 PM

Ac voltage is supposed to be 28 or more at full throttle. Between 28 and 32 volts ac I believe. Noel
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Posted January 25, 2015 - 04:17 PM

Ac voltage is supposed to be 28 or more at full throttle. Between 28 and 32 volts ac I believe. Noel

For a 15 Amp stator. The 10 amp is different. Fresh from the service manual:

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And here's the test for the 15 amp:

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Posted January 26, 2015 - 06:39 AM

Wind has died down. I should be able to get out there around 10-11AM today!



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Posted January 26, 2015 - 02:12 PM

SUCCESS! Got it back together and now have 13.5 volts at the battery and climbing! WooHoo! :dancingbanana: :firejumper:


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Posted January 26, 2015 - 05:10 PM

Great you got it working.  Just wanted to show you the information I had.  First picture is from my Ford manual.  14 hp K321 with 15 amp system.  Next three are from John Deere 140 manual.  Noel

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Posted January 26, 2015 - 05:54 PM

Last check I was getting over 14 volts to the battery! So I think I have a winner going here. She was spitting and sputtering some, so she got a dose of MMO (gas & oil) and Seafoam. Let it run awhile, then drove it some. Letting it rest now for over night. It is getting easier to start and sounds real good on a fast idle. Still spits back some at higher RPM's. Have a little smoke out the exhaust, but will see if it may clear out as it is ran more. I'm thinking sticky valves and possibly stuck rings. That's why I wanted to get it good and warm.


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Posted January 26, 2015 - 05:59 PM

Good deal Kenny!  I think you're good to go on the charging now.  


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