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Kohler K341. Flat bottom Vs. deep pan oil sump?


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#1 IamSherwood OFFLINE  

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Posted January 10, 2015 - 09:48 PM

My main snow blowing machine decided to pack it in yesterday.

 

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I need to get it going soon. We've been getting dumped on for the

past 4 days. About 3 ft by now.

 

It has a Kohler K341s with the flat bottom oil sump.

I have a freshly rebuilt ( 2 yrs ago ) with 0 hrs on it K341AQS

sitting on the shelf. It has the deep oil sump, the kind you'd

find in a MF1650.

 

My question is, can I take the block and all the guts of the AQS, and

put it on the flat sump? I assume the oil dipper is longer on the AQS?

Can I just shorten that, and bolt it down?

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Any help appreciated



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Posted January 10, 2015 - 09:57 PM

Oh no, Will!  That was kind timing...

 

If you know your type numbers, I will check and see what the difference is.

 

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Posted January 10, 2015 - 10:06 PM

The motor has to come out of your 14/16, see if the blocks are same and swap over the pans if you can. Rod dipper might be the same. ???


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 04:29 AM

I think I've tried this and the pans do not interchange. When you bolt the pan down to block,there is a gap that oil will spew out of. It's been a bit now,but I'm sure it won't work.But,good luck.


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 08:03 AM

Nice looking cab and tractor. I've found that there are different types of Kohler blocks and they do not interchange between my Cubs and my Ford LGTs. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 08:08 AM

I have a wide base K341 I WAS going to put in the Ford. Didn't pull it yet if the pan is not going to work!


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 08:17 AM

I did some looking at agcopartsbooks.com

The deep sump K341  uses the same connecting rod as flat sump version.

Then, using the spec # for the short blocks which I got off agco, I then searched

through partstree.com and looked at both the deep and flat sump short blocks.

They both refer you towards a section guide of the same # TP-2076-D

Sounds good so far.

Being the K341aqs (the one I want to use) is on a shelf

back in Massey hall, and there's about 200 yrds of 1 ft deep snow that I have

to deal with (without my blower), I was looking for some sort of comforting

feeling that this might work, before I go through that exercise.

Well, it's still snowing, so I better get at it.


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 08:49 AM

Will,

If I am not mistaken you should be able to take the pan off the k341 (from the mower) and put it on the K341aqs.

 

BTW, my MF8 with the K181 started knocking while I was blowing some snow yesterday. Not a good day for either one of us. Plan on tearing the engine apart today to see what happened.

 

Ted



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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:00 AM

Here's a pic of the 3 different blocks from the bottom.

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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:14 AM

Here's a pic of the 3 different blocks from the bottom.

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Kenny's pic shows a K341S on the left, the center is a K341AQS, the one on right is like used on Cub Cadets.  Most (but not all) K341's like to the left have those notches under the block mount "wings", and you can't use the AQS sump on them.  


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:25 AM

I'm thinking the Ford's AQS is more square like the last pic. I know it doesn't have the 'wings' like the first two have.


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:29 AM

I'm thinking the Ford's AQS is more square like the last pic. I know it doesn't have the 'wings' like the first two have.

 

I am with you on the Ford to the right.  Having owned only one Ford, and been a while, I wasn't sure my memory was correct.


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:40 AM

You can use a wide pan block if your willing to do some welding and tap the bolt holes.

 

 

If the blocks are the same and the only difference is the Oil Sump,You can cut the Dipper and round off the edges with a file.

 

 

Found this guide on converting wide based blocks.Haven't done this myself but it looks like it will work.

 

http://gardentractor....com/oilpan.htm


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Posted January 11, 2015 - 09:52 AM

I checked my 2 - MF16's and I have a parts engine from a MF14 and they are all the wide base blocks, with the wings on them.

Like the 2 in Kennys picture, left and center.

I guess that's what they put in the 14/16 tractors.



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Posted January 11, 2015 - 10:17 AM

I found this picture of an 16hp engine that came out of a MF1650, looks like it's a wide base block with a small pan. ???

 

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