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#1 1oldbuzz ONLINE  

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Posted January 01, 2015 - 06:15 AM

Looking for ideas for a front axle swap

I intend to put a loader on my SS/16.

I don't think the front axle is up to the task.

I don't like the design,2 formed angles welded together?

Other issue is I want to put in poor mans power steering,

thrust bearings on the spindles.

The spindle socket does not look to be a big

enough diameter to do this.

I want to use a cast iron axle from whatever will fit.

anyone done this,what axle would give the width I need

I measured mine to be 22- 23 inch across the bottom.

memory fails at he moment

 I could go a little wider not an issue as it will give better stability

with the loader.

So those of you with a cast iron front axle could please post

or PM your front axle width and year/brand of tractor,

Then  I would know what one to look for.

 I found several on the bay and dirt cheap,But can't get replies

to measurement questions.

Thanks in advance

 


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 06:38 AM

Maybe if you posted a pic of your axle and measurements, folks might get a better idea of what might fit in there. What does the center pivot pin and mount look like?



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Posted January 01, 2015 - 07:45 AM

This should be the axle.image.jpg

These are actually pretty stout. Maybe upgrading to 1" spindles would be a good idea, but... How much are you planning on putting in the loader?
Even with the thrust bearings, you will need to watch your load weight.

Kwik way made one for the Sears Suburban. Here is a video of one I found online.

Pretty sure a couple of our members have them too.
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Posted January 01, 2015 - 08:30 AM

This should be the axle.attachicon.gifimage.jpg

These are actually pretty stout. Maybe upgrading to 1" spindles would be a good idea, but... How much are you planning on putting in the loader?
Even with the thrust bearings, you will need to watch your load weight.

Kwik way made one for the Sears Suburban. Here is a video of one I found online.

Pretty sure a couple of our members have them too.

The pic is the same axle I have. Thanks for posting.

I know I need a 22-24 inch wide axle the 24 would be better.

Center pin is 5/8 inch,I can bore my mount out or sleeve the pin hole in the axle.

that's not an issue.

Problem is the bushing for the spindle is not thick enough to support a bearing,unless a heavy washer is used to

support/back up said bearing.And then the spindle becomes to short because of said washer.

 

I intend to use mainly as a snow shovel (snow removal) Getting to old and a recent back surgery.

And some light land scapping ,if I ever stop buying these old tractors.

I have the sears branded kwik way for it.Bought that in spring was going to put it on my bolens

but couldn't pass up the SS/16.

It was by chance I realized the loader was for a sears.

So to sum it up

I am I need a 23-24 inch wide cast iron axle

just need to know what year and brand tractor its on


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 09:20 AM

I have a GT6000 with a cast axle up at the farm.
I will measure it to see if it is what you are looking for.

Those tractors are still out there, but most of them with the Kohler are still running... So finding a scrap unit might be harder.
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Posted January 01, 2015 - 09:49 AM

Thanks for all the pics and dimensions. I have a JD cast iron front axle with 1" spindles on it. If it will warm a bit, I'll get a pic of it to see how it looks compared to the Sears unit. Not sure if the tie rods would work, though. Don't remember the center hole diameter right off, but I'll have that also. Just where are you measuring to get the 24" wide dimension?


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 11:55 AM

Here's the JD axle. It does measure 24" across the center of the spindles. The enter pin is 3/4" and it is 2-1/2" thick at the center pin.

It may raise the front of the tractor some though. If you were to get one of these, be sure to get the wheels and tie rods with it.

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Posted January 01, 2015 - 11:56 AM

I am measuring from what would be the bottom of the axle.

At the widest angle of the spindle sockets.

 

I do not want an axle from anyone.

just measurements and brand/year of tractor

 

Found a half dozen on ebay under $10

And I have contacted most for a measurement and no reply.

So I thought I would try here

Thanks for the interest people


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 11:58 AM

Here's the JD axle. It does measure 24" across the center of the spindles. The enter pin is 3/4" and it is 2-1/2" thick at the center pin.

It may raise the front of the tractor some though. If you were to get one of these, be sure to get the wheels and tie rods with it.

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Thanks Kenny

helps a lot

But the deere stuff carries a big price tag on the bay

and so does the sears stuff


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 12:00 PM

I'm not selling the one I posted, just giving you an option on this. Also the wheels for this axle have bearings and not bushings. Looks to be room where the spindles go through for the thrust bearings.



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Posted January 01, 2015 - 12:07 PM

Another option could be an axle constructed of seamless steel tubing with welded on round stock ends bored to size.
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Posted January 01, 2015 - 02:12 PM

Here's the JD axle. It does measure 24" across the center of the spindles. The enter pin is 3/4" and it is 2-1/2" thick at the center pin.

It may raise the front of the tractor some though. If you were to get one of these, be sure to get the wheels and tie rods with it.

attachicon.gifDSCN0092.JPG    attachicon.gifDSCN0093.JPG

I have one from a 200 series Deere that I have been saving to use on a Wheel horse. The Deere axle is wider,and if flipped around it is swept forward giving 1 1/2-2 inch increase in wheelbase and has 1 inch spindles. I think it would make a nice upgrade.


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Posted January 01, 2015 - 03:45 PM

The one from the GT6000 is close. The spindles are still 3/4" tho
25 1/2" across.
Axles are upswept to lower the front.
It's 1 1/2 x 2" , the OD of the tubes are about 1 1/4

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Posted January 01, 2015 - 07:13 PM

I have seen someone one time bolt in a cub cast axle into a Suburban with little modifications.

 

If I was going to the trouble, I would look into a custom built steel tube axle using 1" bearing trailer axles and hubs and 5 lug rims. maybe even constructed with upper/lover bearing on the steering spindles.


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Posted January 02, 2015 - 05:26 AM

I have seen someone one time bolt in a cub cast axle into a Suburban with little modifications.

 

If I was going to the trouble, I would look into a custom built steel tube axle using 1" bearing trailer axles and hubs and 5 lug rims. maybe even constructed with upper/lover bearing on the steering spindles.

 

I don't want to go the custom route if I don't have to.

My best machinist (brother)is 75 miles away.Have a machinist at work but take 2 weeks to get a part back.

At this time I prefer to do a bolt in with mods if needed.

I see no need for a roller thrust bearing on the top of the spindle there is no weight there.

Trailer axle stub spindle conversion will come later,I already have the donor axle.

 Tractor is currently completely disassembled for cleaning paint and general refurbish


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