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#1 alleyyooper OFFLINE  

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Posted December 23, 2014 - 08:00 AM

Got two new springs 30 pound ones and installed them in the bolts of the Remington’s. Firearm season 2014 I harvested a nice 7 point opening day, Missed another nice buck in some brush 5days latter. Saw at least two really nice bucks but they were chasing does and moving right along so I never got a shot at them. Muzzle loader season comes. I decided I am going to wait for a chance at those bigger bucks rather than shoot a spike I had been seeing right along all thru both firearm season and ML season. As I was going out in the afternoon on the 6th Kare asked if I was going to shoot a spike. I told her not right away I was going to wait to see if I could get one of the big guys. 30 minutes latter a spike walks by my blind 35 yards away. Never seen a buck after that except when I was out walking the dog seeing the same spike twice in as many days. Season is coming to an end quick figure I have 3 days left as I went out the door Thursday morning. When I came in for lunch Kare said she wanted to go to her mom’s on Friday as her birthday was Saturday the 20th. I decide at that time any legal buck I saw I was going to try to harvest. After lunch I walk to my blind in the front yard and get settled in. The first doe comes out of the pines at just after 4:00 PM to feed slowly across the lawn to the woods on the other side of the driveway and then go to the corn field across the road. They kept coming till I had counted up to 9, I was talking on the radio to Kare who said there were deer in the back yard that had got my pup to barking. She also said there were a few out the living room window across the creek. It had been over cast all day so never was what you could call bright. About 5:00 PM I decided to start packing things up for the walk back to the house when another deer walks out of the pines at my 70 yard marker. I look at it with the binocs and see it is a spike I had never seen before. I turned the scope up to 6 power on the 50cal Remington loaded with 80gr. of triple 7 MMP green sabot and a 300gr. Speer gold dot bullet. He was quartering to me at about a 50 degree angle so I put the cross hairs just in front of his left shoulder and touched it off. Fire jumped out the end of the barrel and the blind filled with smoke. I got a very quick glimps of the buck hunching up and running. I grab a quick load dump the powder in the bore then start the sabot and bullet down the bore, pull the ram rod and drive it home. Kare comes on the radio and asked if that was me who had shot. I tell her yes it was, she asked where I was I told her reloading in the blind as I searched my coat and pants pocket for my capper. Kare said I didn’t need to reload as he wasn’t going any place he was laying just off the lawn by the barberry bush along the creek; he had run about 45 yards. I go to the house strip off my hunting duds turned on the flood lights, went down to him with Kare and got pictures of my first muzzle loader deer with 5 inch spikes. Since it was now dark it was nice to have the flood lights to field dress him by. Small body deer, am torn now if I should have waited longer for a bigger buck.

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Posted December 23, 2014 - 09:31 AM

Great story..  Congrates..  Saw your'e pics of the tin elevated blind,,, I would get hungry sitting in there...

 

I didn't get a deer this year in Wi.  Had a few small ones go by  archery season, decided to let them grow up a little ( if neighbors don't shoot them )  same with rifle season,,, five does,  all small,  Hopefully they will be bigger and have a few more babies and more deer for next year..  I hope my plan works.!!



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Posted December 23, 2014 - 11:38 AM

If you needed him for you to eat, just thank him. Good Luck, Rick



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Posted December 24, 2014 - 05:36 AM

All the food pictures in that blind got blacked out. Ya he is going to help the food bill a lot and I can eat some decent meat again.

 

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Posted December 27, 2014 - 12:27 AM

Congrats on the spiker....

Sorry to hear you are torn about shooting him and not waiting for a bigger one. Unfortunately hunting isn't like fishing, where if it isn't big enough you can throw it back for another day.

Were the nine you saw earlier all flat tops? Are you not allowed to harvest antler-less in MI?

Anyway, enjoy the fine table fare... :thumbs:



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Posted December 27, 2014 - 07:39 AM

Yes all nine I saw earlier were does. Yes you can shoot does in most of Michigan's lower, in my area you could shoot 5 a day with over the counter tags if you were so inclined.

 

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Posted January 05, 2015 - 01:39 AM

Yes all nine I saw earlier were does. Yes you can shoot does in most of Michigan's lower, in my area you could shoot 5 a day with over the counter tags if you were so inclined.

 

:D   Al

Huh, didn't know that. Just figure if your out for table fair and saw nine flat tops that if it was allowed the best management choice would be to take a doe and leave the spike. Seems your after meat, cause it's not antler size.

Or you don't believe in harvesting does, and that's okay and your choice. But they aren't ever going to grow any bigger after the trigger has been pulled.

I've been doing seminars on healthy deer herds and their habitat for nearly 30 years. The hardest thing for some hunters is to choose a doe over a buck of any size. But these guys complain that they never see a mature buck to shoot, only small year and a half year olds. Can't figure out that what you kill this year, won't be around the next.........

Happy hunting.



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Posted January 05, 2015 - 01:57 AM

Up here where the winters are TOUGH taking a doe who has a fawn of the year means you've killed them both. Those babies need their moms to get through the winter and learn important "deer stuff". If you know the deer in your area you also know which does are dry, they make excellent table fare and are a good choice. If I can't tell, I'll take a fawn or spiker every time.

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Posted January 05, 2015 - 05:29 AM

Was getting near the end of the season and I had a buck tag not a doe tag. Plenty of does get killed out on the road by the dam fools who live on the lake and do0n't seem to realize the deer will cross the road from the woods to the corn field and still do 70 down the road.

 

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Posted January 07, 2015 - 09:50 PM

Up here where the winters are TOUGH taking a doe who has a fawn of the year means you've killed them both. Those babies need their moms to get through the winter and learn important "deer stuff". If you know the deer in your area you also know which does are dry, they make excellent table fare and are a good choice. If I can't tell, I'll take a fawn or spiker every time.

I disagree. There are reasons behind a doe being "dry" as you put it. One is because the doe was not bead during her estrous cycle. Reasons behind this are, not enough male deer to do the breading. To many female deer coming into estrous at the same time, and again, not enough male deer to do the breeding. 

The female aborts her fetus do to stress, IE bad winters, over population, poor nutrition, or loss of fawns in spring due to predation or disease to name a few. 

It's a proven, scientific FACT that fawns do not need their mothers to survive after the nursing stage. There is a survival mechanism born into each fawn at birth, yes everyone isn't going to survive, that is nature of the beast. 

Point I'm trying to make is this "dry" doe this year is only because of the before mentioned reasons. There is no such thing in the wild as a doe being past her prime and being "dry" because a doe can be impregnated until she is in her teens, and there is a very slim chance of a doe living that long in the wild.

So taking any doe "dry" or not is still taking a doe that could be bread the following year. Or the fawn if a female is going to be breeding stock the following year.

I see it like this. If you have the nine antlerless deer as mentioned in the original post and the one male (spike) is removed you have less male deer to do the breeding of the does. Less male deer make more "dry" does because without them there will be no breeding. No fawns, less deer!

Looking from the biological side, one of the antlerless would have been the wise decision. My 2 cents. :thumbs:


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Posted January 07, 2015 - 09:54 PM

Was getting near the end of the season and I had a buck tag not a doe tag. Plenty of does get killed out on the road by the dam fools who live on the lake and do0n't seem to realize the deer will cross the road from the woods to the corn field and still do 70 down the road.

 

:D   Al

Understand. I guess I didn't read the part where you only had the buck tag. That would have made it illegal to harvest a doe. My bad! And apology for assuming so. :beerchug:  






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