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#1 TimW OFFLINE  

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 11:32 AM

This little fellow apparently had been in a barn for over 30 years.  It is amazingly solid with little or no rust, other than light surface.  It has a nice deck and front blade that still has the decal on it.  I know very little about these other than what I have read recently, but I had to add it to the collection.  My main question is on the engine.  It is a "T758" with the serial number of 84XXX.  It currently has a 8hp BS that is around 1972 on it.  Should it be a 8hp K181 Kohler?  And if it was, I assume it is manual start, so should it be recoil or rope pull?  All the T758's  I see are "ES" and I can not find any good info on the manual start.  Also, if anything else looks odd in the picture, let me know before I goof something up.

 

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 11:45 AM

I don't know if that is the original engine or not but T758s came with a Briggs and Stratton 8 hp. The T758es was a kohler 8 hp.


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Posted December 22, 2014 - 11:55 AM

Would the model ID plate say "ES" or "S", or would they just say "T758".  Are there any 8hp K181's with manual start?


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Posted December 22, 2014 - 01:53 PM

I don't really know the difference between the 8 & the 8ES but the sales database from Allen Lawnmower lists a lot of each model and all of both models are shown as having Kohlers. Just looking through some sales literature for the T75, I only see one mention of just a T758 (no ES) and I'm guessing it's just a typo as it still says it's electric start. All other references are T75 and T758ES.

This would be a good question for Jim Haynes. It's a shame he isn't on the forum.

Edited by Canawler, December 22, 2014 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 02:43 PM

Just t758. The T758es that I have has electric start and it has a place to put a rope on it.


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Posted December 22, 2014 - 02:46 PM

Nice tractor!  My guess is that yours is earlier than the one I used to have.  My T75 had a vinyl seat, a Briggs motor, and just 'Pennsylvania' in raised lettering across the front casting (as part of the casting) and a sticker with the word 'Panzer' down the middle.  And the id tag on mine was also just a sticker, not a metal plate like yours.  Mine was a '67 or '68.


Edited by Delmar, December 22, 2014 - 02:49 PM.

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 03:32 PM

I appreciate the input and I think I am clearer.  If the T758's with electric start did not have the "ES" behind the model on the tag, mine was most likely a K181 with electric start and somebody replaced it with a later BS.  My tag is a sticker, but the grill is all cast lettering.  Also, mine does have a dash key if the manual ones used a throttle shutoff like a lot of the BS's used.  Anyhow, thanks for all the info and I will take my time and try to keep this as nice and original as I can.


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Posted December 22, 2014 - 04:29 PM

Mine is a T75 1966 and it has the original 7 hp B&S engine they also came with the K181 yours is a earlier model they started getting cheap with the grill casting on the later ones

Edited by HANKG, December 22, 2014 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 05:16 PM

Serial number 84953 has a delivery date of 9/2/64 so your 849xx (can't make out the other two digits in the picture) has to be just a bit earlier than that.

Edited by Canawler, December 22, 2014 - 05:20 PM.

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 05:26 PM

Is that a key in the dash. The engine is rope start

Sorry should have more of the post!

Edited by jabelman, December 22, 2014 - 05:28 PM.

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Posted December 22, 2014 - 06:59 PM

Take a picture along with the numbers and get in touch with Jim Haynes. You will need him any ways for parts and he is a nice guy with about any info you will need.

 

http://www.dandysales.com

 

 I just ordered all the parts from him for the Copar Panzer T205 I'm working on.


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Posted December 24, 2014 - 10:28 PM

Does the key have two positions ( off  or on ) or three positions ( off,  on, start )

If you look at the first picture in the post above you will see an amp gage in the dash.

Pull start tractors didn't have one because there was no battery.

If you look at the last picture take a look at the sheet metal

cover under the seat. there are 2 rubber grommets, one in

the front and one near the back on top of the cover.

that was to protect the positive battey cable which went

through the grommets back to the battery.

Check this picture, you can see the battery cable

going through the grommet.

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Posted December 24, 2014 - 11:08 PM

What are the odds of someone taking the time and effort

to drill the dash to install an amp gage on a pull

start tractor and to drill the holes for the rubber

grommets that are to protect the battery cable

for no reason on a pull start tractor and a

typo on the on the I.D. tag, Odds are this is

a T758 tractor with a pull start replacement engine.


Edited by fxrs55, December 24, 2014 - 11:09 PM.

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Posted December 27, 2014 - 08:11 PM

I think I am fairly certain now that this is an electric start with 8hp Kohler.  Great point on the amp gauge, that makes all the sense in the world.  The little 8hp briggs appears to be a 1972 anyway.



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Posted January 19, 2015 - 12:05 PM

The Waynesboro Va plant shut down in 1970 and sold , if the motor is matched to 70 the it must be a replacement..hope that helps






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