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Posted November 19, 2014 - 07:27 PM

Ha, until somebody wanted to straight trade me a John Deere 318 for my Allis 912h. Now the 318 came with an adapted 200 series blade while my Allis had a deck, 2 tillers, and a sleeve hitch. We were both happy and swapped. The PO didn't like the cost of the attachments for the 318 and I was just lazy because the Allis was manual lift.

The 318 is repowered with a Kohler Magnum 20. Which runs great. There are no leaks anywhere and everything works, brakes included. The exhaust definitely needs some help. I removed the extra non stock lighting. Also located a Deere seat slightly used. Also replaced 2 of the 4 front ports. Still need 2 more. The tractor doesn't have a front pto which, with everyone's help, I hope to add. I really like the power steering. This is ruining me haha. I also added some 10.50 super lugs since the PO kept the tires pictured in the first few photos.

Back to the pto. The engine has 1 1/8" crankshaft. The bolt pattern is 7.5" squared. I don't know what this engine came from. Does anyone know off hand where I can find a pto that would fit. I saw the cub 1872 has the same size shaft but I have no idea what the bolt pattern is. Any thoughts?

Posted a few pics. By the looks of the last pic, I'm running out of working room! Oh and the little LT is just a repair job. Thanks!

Eric

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Posted November 19, 2014 - 07:32 PM

My plan is too add a 3 point and depending on what I find, add a deck for mowing. I'm on the hunt for some oem taillights. Also, I'm gonna try and use a muffler from my Case 448 and get the exhaust back under the hood.

Eric

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Posted November 19, 2014 - 07:51 PM

think 1-1/8" shaft is common for many. NOt sure on the mounting bolt spread. My later Model PK's  had a pto that bolted to the block like in four places, rather than just a chain on it to hold as on early ones. Think some of those PK's had that same engine. Mission Manufacturing in S. IN is the PK dealer, but sit down before hearing the price, I bet?  Guess the Deere guys would be better to ask on what they used.  Where's the one from other engine?  Did you get chance to get that or at least see if similar?  I agree with the Power Steering and the hydro lifts as being nice for us older guys. Hard to go back to your older rigs and use once you have better stuff.



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Posted November 19, 2014 - 08:06 PM

Sent a 318 to scrap last year by accident..still bugs me till this day.



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Posted November 19, 2014 - 08:21 PM

How is that possible!!

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Posted November 19, 2014 - 08:28 PM

Congrats on your trade, Eric! Nice JD 318! I see some parts to a familiar MF 14 in your last picture;-)


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Posted November 19, 2014 - 08:29 PM

IIRC, John Deere used a 1 7/16" shaft unlike everyone else. Which makes this a little tough. The other engine is nowhere to be found. He thinks it went to scrap since he left it at his dads. I do have an Onan b48 in the shop I could compare to. Other than the shaft, I would imagine it would resemble the Deere Onan. I wouldn't think there would be very many block variations when it comes to bolting on a pto.

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Posted November 19, 2014 - 09:47 PM

The pto end of that engine doesn't look right to me for having come out of a gt.  And the bolt pattern being square is different too.  All of the Kohler kt17, kt19, m18, and m20 engines that I've worked on have the cover like this picture and the 17 and 18 had a 1 1/8 crank and the 19 and 20 had a 1 1/4 crank and the bolt pattern was narrower at the top than the bottom.  That's the sizes of all but one engine I've worked on.  Had a m20 i used for a repower that had a 1 1/2 crank but that came out of a scissor lift and ran a huge pump.  What as the spec. # of the engine?  The Kohler website is pretty good at telling you what it came out of if you put the spec. # number in.  Hope this helps finding a clutch.                 Stewart

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Posted November 19, 2014 - 10:33 PM

Thanks, I will do a search on the spec number. Considering I'm having no luck on finding a clutch, maybe I can swap the end plate for a correct one.

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Posted November 20, 2014 - 05:33 AM

Have you checked out this manual on the crank shaft specs?



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Posted November 20, 2014 - 11:32 PM

Have you checked out this manual on the crank shaft specs?"

 

I do know the shaft is 1 1/8" in diameter. I didn't measure the length but will guess 3-3.5". I think swapping the end plate for one similar to whats pictured will solve my issues. Tonight, I've been looking at exhaust options. I want it back under the hood similar to a stock exit. I have a Case muffle that may work but may be stuck making my own pipes leading to the muffler. I was searching for other model tractors to see if I could use another. I know Bolens ran this engine in their large frames. Not sure who else. Anyone have something laying around? Thanks.

 

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Posted November 20, 2014 - 11:45 PM

Cub Cadet used the same engine in their tractors.  They had two cast iron manifolds that went into one muffler.  Its the same part numbers for all of the Cadets that had the 17, 18, and 20 hp kt/magnum twins.  The Cadet model #'s that had them were 682, 782, 1710, 1711, 1712, 1806, 1810, 1811, 1812, 1872, 2072, 1535, 1541, 1860, 1861, 1882, and 2082.  Might be able to find some on ebay.           Stewart


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Posted November 20, 2014 - 11:52 PM

Wow...didn't realize even the KT's also shared parts. That really opens the gates. Now I wonder if I can make a John Deere 317 exhaust fit. Similar tractors up front and will have the exit on the correct side. Thanks that's a big help!

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Posted November 27, 2014 - 10:36 PM

Well, got a complete exhaust from a 317 and finally removed the other setup. I have to go out tomorrow and buy longer bolts to fit the cast manifolds. Should be up and running tomorrow. I also sourced the engine front plate and pto. Also a deck and mule drive. All sourced from a 317. Its starting to come together. I will post some pics tomorrow once the exhaust change is complete.

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Posted November 29, 2014 - 11:36 AM

Here is a pic. This is a 317 full exhaust. All I had to do was flip the muffler to exit the other direction. Everything lines up just right. Sounds great also. Plus, I replaced all the front ports. Now just to tackle taillights and pto clutch.

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