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#1 glgrumpy OFFLINE  

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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:14 PM

You've heard about my Jeep this fall. Bad Handling, dieing out once, other things. Well, took to work last night, first time in snow. This summer I mentioned how it wanted to wander on road and seems I didn't notice that anymore, maybe just got used to it, or learned not to fight the movements?  Anyway, last nite was just like first time drive this summer. Had it in 4x4, as it was all over w/out. Was some better, but not real good. Had BIG time trouble turning into the parking lot at work. Didn't wanna turn and just slid more thru intersection, then did slide all the way in till I could go straight again. Came out this AM, little less snow on roads. Dropped back to 2 wheel drive and was doing OK, some slick spots I slowed for. About 50mph all the way home. On four-lane road with bridges you see those "Watch for Ice on Bridge" signs, never pay much attention. I hit a small one, was Icy, and Man....about lost it right there. Str wheel grabbed back when I hit other side of bridge on wet road again. Almost had to change pants!   I got up my big hill on road that was pretty clear, slid into drive. I'm dissapointed the Jeep didn't work out better for snow. Guess it will be more of the Truck to work again.


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:18 PM

Have you checked the front differential at all? Do the Jeep's have locking hubs on the front? I know it is normal to have to hit the gas when turning in 4wd or it will slide straight. Are the tires stock sizes?



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:26 PM

WOW!!!!!! That sounds disasterfull.

What year/model of Jeep ? ? ?

Check those tierod ends, check the toe in too. Toe in can be adjusted by having a willing partner and a tape measure.

Use a block of wood and something with a point on it, jack-up the front of the jeep, set the block of wood so it can be used for a brace when the pointed scribe is set against the tire. Spin the tire, scribe a line all the way around both fronts, drop the jeep back onto the floor/ground..

Use Your partner, have Him/Her hold one end of the taping measure on the scribed mark, just below the height of the hub, fron or back, go to the oposite end and remeasure. it should have about a 1/16th of an inch to 1/8th of an inch toe in, front narrower than the back.

See if that helps.


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:30 PM

Also, if the Jeep has a posi~Track rear end in it, they will tend to drive a vehicle straight forwards, especially on ice or slick roads.

I had a 1981 Jeep Wagoneer, it was terrible for that.

If one rear tire felt any slip whatever, the other tire would lock in and straight forwards it would go. Even in four weeel drive sometimes.

It would go through about anything though.



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:33 PM

Locker in front? I've been told they don't like to turn in 4 wheel drive. I don't know as I have never had one. Until now. Put one in the front of the plow truck, 1995 F150. Waiting to try it out. 4-8+" expected.



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:36 PM

My favorite go to town in the snow, ice and mud rigumuptruck. The front differential gearing is 10% higher than the rear. Pulls it around corners very nicely, just do not try and drive on solid ground/asphalt, that will really tear things up.

 

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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:41 PM

Use a piece of cord, wrap it around the tires and mark. Do this to each tire, when You find the tires with the larger circumference, put those on the fronts.


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 06:50 PM

I'M IN LOVE with that Dodge!!!!   :worshippy1:  :smiley-score010:  


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:18 PM

Sounds like you have mismatched tires..


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:24 PM

I'M IN LOVE with that Dodge!!!!   :worshippy1:  :smiley-score010:  

 

You and me both.

 

...even though it IS a Dodge!!  :D

 

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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:35 PM

Air down the tires some.  You sure don't want them blown up like a basketball.  Especially the rear tires - theres not enough weight back there for full recommended pressure. 


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:35 PM

Are you sure that jeep has the original differentials in it? Something is really messed up.



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:45 PM

Have you checked the front differential at all? Do the Jeep's have locking hubs on the front? I know it is normal to have to hit the gas when turning in 4wd or it will slide straight. Are the tires stock sizes?

Right on George!  In a 4WD letting off the gas is exactly like hitting the brakes!!  Throw it in neutral and wait for the wheels to grab.  Hopefully you can save it..  Sounds like you may have tire issues Grumpster..  If they are wide (60's) they will 'float' easier and not grab as well.  Some Jeep owners get an extra set of rims and ride 75's in the winter.  Also the shorter wheel base works against you as well during skids..

 

I recall when I was about 16 and pulled my 18 YO cousin's jeep out of a steep ditch with our big JD tractor..  He was really in there..  It was on a hill just around a bend and he let off the gas!  He was OK and nothing hurt..  Lucky!! :worshippy1:


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 08:09 PM

My old 83 F150..when in mud(we dont get much snow)the front wheels do most of the work when its in 4X4...high or low.


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 08:13 PM

I have driven a few jeeps in the winter, never had the results you do unless my tires were shot. Stock as they came from the factory.

jst don't run Good year Wrangler RT/S  they suck even when brand new... 

toe in is good suggestion to check.  Does your Jeep have the CAD (central axle disconnect) If it does you'll see a vacuum diaphragm on the "long" side of the axle.  I have owned a YJ (93) Wrangler, (2) XJ's ( square body Cherokee) still have my TJ  (97 Wrangler) that I have had since Y2K...

 

have also owned my share of Dodge 4WDs  and in the winter never had them drive like you describe....

 

On most Jeeps mid 80s and up (cant speak for Liberty or compass or patriot, never been under any of those)  the long tie rod sleeve adjusts the actual toe, the short tie rod sleeve adjusts steering wheel position "only"

I usually loosened both U clamps and used 2, 10 or 14" pipe wrenches (one close to each end of long sleeve) in my years as a front end alignment guy...






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