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#1 wvbuzzmaster OFFLINE  

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Posted November 16, 2014 - 12:17 AM

Tried to title different than a similar thread. I picked up my two Wisconsin inline twins, but had a negotiation shortcoming, ... Never asked about the carbs or mags....
Firstly, neither have their tags, and I know of four versions: THD, TJD, Tfd, and Ted. So I need to determine what I have to be able to get the right magneto and carb size. I have no desire to complete both, just one, since the second is missing more parts. A friend of mine has one with a rusted out oil pan, so may try to do some dealing there, as his is complete.
So what are my options? Carb size is more since I want to adapt one off of something else... If cant find the right one. Help me....
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 12:26 AM

I read the title, and my first thought was, How could he possibly need help

with twins from Wisconsin? They both have the same birthday, and probably

like the same things. :D


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 12:45 AM

I read the title, and my first thought was, How could he possibly need help
with twins from Wisconsin? They both have the same birthday, and probably
like the same things. :D


Apparently, nice, tall, lanky kids who like garden tractors and have a pink belly shirt that says GTTalk.
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 12:45 AM

BTW, we aren't here to help, just to give you a hard time.
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 12:49 AM

BTW, we aren't here to help, just to give you a hard time.


I knew I should have waited later to post for the morning crowd. :P
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 05:22 AM

The morning crowd is here.

Get them their own credit card. And being from Wisconsin, they probably like beer.
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 07:30 AM

I was thinking about this a bit in my sleep.

Casey, your best bet would be to let them lead.


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 07:35 AM

If you are having trouble handling "the twins" maybe you'd better send them home to Wisconsin.


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 07:48 AM

These twins may have been used to make beer until they went separate ways .


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 08:34 AM

I believe alot of them used the L79 series Zenith Carburetors but there were exceptions on some models depending on what they were used on.


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 10:05 AM

Buzz,

You'll need to determine how the pistons move - same or opposite.  That'll determine which mag you need. 

 

It sounds like someone that does swap meets had those engines. Those people tend to remove the mags and carbs and sell those items seperate.  :wallbanging:

I have a buddy that runs a dozer for a livin'.  One day he unearthed an Ottawa drag saw engine!   Of course it was crusty being under ground for who knows how long.....  It was however complete with mag and carb that looked to be OK.   He gave me the engine but it was stuck tight.  The next spring I was at the Mt. Pleasant, IA swap meet and a vendor had the same Ottawa engine but he had removed the mag and carb because he figured they might sell better by themselves.  He still had both, for sale, on his table. 

I bought the Ottawa engine with good compression for $5 because its super heavy and the vendor was tired of lifting on it. 

Of course, a decade later,  both engines are still out there in the shed waiting on me to make one good engine out of the two.  :(


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 10:17 AM

I believe alot of them used the L79 series Zenith Carburetors but there were exceptions on some models depending on what they were used on.

 

Wow, first serious answer of the day!  :poke:

 

Casey, you ought to know better.  Anyone up at 12:00 at night is probably not the best help.

 

And anything with hair caterwauling at 5:22 is definitely no help.

 

In all seriousness, I need a couple things to help.  I have carburetors and magnetos here.  We need a picture of the carburetor/magneto side so we can determine if it takes a magneto or a distributor. 

 

You'll probably have to pull the head to know much more.  You may be able to get away with just pulling the two valve covers and seeing how the valves work, but its easier to pull the head and see how the pistons move. 

 

The TE has a smaller bore than a TF, 3 inches versus 3.25.  The TE, TF fires the pistons at the same time.  All use the same magneto.  Both pistons will be up at TDC together. 

 

The TH will use the same magneto, but is timed so that one piston is on TDC while another piston is on the exhaust stroke at TDC.  You can tell this by the way the valves open.  It is a 3.25 bore. 

 

The TJ fires them 180 opposite.  One piston will be at BDC while piston will be on TDC.  As a result, it uses a timed magneto.  It is also 3.25 bore. 

 

Adding a "D" at the end of any of those models means they have stellite valves. 

 

Another option is a W2-880.  It was the last version of the TJ produced.  It should be the same except for the intake manifold, carburetor, and air cleaner. 

 

Ben W.


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 11:02 AM

Wow, first serious answer of the day!  :poke:

 

Casey, you ought to know better.  Anyone up at 12:00 at night is probably not the best help.

 

And anything with hair caterwauling at 5:22 is definitely no help.

 

In all seriousness, I need a couple things to help.  I have carburetors and magnetos here.  We need a picture of the carburetor/magneto side so we can determine if it takes a magneto or a distributor. 

 

You'll probably have to pull the head to know much more.  You may be able to get away with just pulling the two valve covers and seeing how the valves work, but its easier to pull the head and see how the pistons move. 

 

The TE has a smaller bore than a TF, 3 inches versus 3.25.  The TE, TF fires the pistons at the same time.  All use the same magneto.  Both pistons will be up at TDC together. 

 

The TH will use the same magneto, but is timed so that one piston is on TDC while another piston is on the exhaust stroke at TDC.  You can tell this by the way the valves open.  It is a 3.25 bore. 

 

The TJ fires them 180 opposite.  One piston will be at BDC while piston will be on TDC.  As a result, it uses a timed magneto.  It is also 3.25 bore. 

 

Adding a "D" at the end of any of those models means they have stellite valves. 

 

Another option is a W2-880.  It was the last version of the TJ produced.  It should be the same except for the intake manifold, carburetor, and air cleaner. 

 

Ben W.

Correct on all counts and then some.


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Posted November 16, 2014 - 11:43 AM

Ben, I will go take a few pics of the better one, or rather more complete and was told had work done to it. Compression on that one is crazy good, I can't roll it over by hand, and the starter isn't in my hands yet (but I deal with this guy a lot and he will get it to me). So what I need is a take away, being, if the pistons move together then they all take the same mag and carb, or something like that. And that if I give a pic of the mag side you will tell me what I need to buy from you lol.
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Posted November 16, 2014 - 11:57 AM

This one is the one I was told is better and believe that to be true. It is my primary concern.
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This one is missing some tins and the same other stuff. It will be giving up its manifold for above.
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If you can tell anything from these pics let me know.
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