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Posted November 17, 2014 - 01:15 AM

It only had a tick right before it died, and when i turn it over....now it won't run at all. Do u think the valve bent or what would cause it to have so much clearance all the sudden and just die? How do these get adjusted?  on my atv's there's either shims that can be added or they have an adjustment screw.  can these be adjusted or should i pull the head and see if the valve is bent up top?

In a word-  YES!

 

The Exhaust valve is stuck up or the seat lifted.  DO NOT adjust that lifter when you see the valve is so far off.  You could force the valve into the head if you do.  Pop the head and evaluate as you have guessed...


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Posted November 17, 2014 - 10:50 AM

ok, i'll  pull the head, maybe i got lucky and there's just apiece of crud holding it open.  Do i have to take the side flywheel cover off to take t head off?  i know the carb has to come off, but i'm trying to take as little off as possible so i can make sure i get it all back together right.  the head seems to be under several shrouds....



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 10:54 AM

that looks like the right gap for a loose throttle plate screw stuck in the valve seat. I had a kohler twin do that. Check the carb first.



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 02:57 PM

right on tater! i'm not sure if it's the same screw, but it's a small allen head looking thing, bent the valve and was embedded into the head.  I also see it smacked the piston pretty good.  So, will a valve from the 214 that i have fit in this motor?  Where do you think the screw came from what do you guys think about the damage?  If i don't have to replace the head or piston i won't, i was thinking of just cleaning real good and smoothing out the spots were it hit.  

 

bent valve  IMG_20141117_133137_892_zps3ca8ef4d.jpg

 

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screw stuck into the head

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piston gouge

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Posted November 17, 2014 - 07:02 PM

Other than the bent valve, the damage doesnt look that bad. When mine ate a screw, I pulled the head, removed the screw, and cleaned up the dent with a dremel tool. I put it back together with the old head gasket just to finish the job I was in the middle of. I was going to get a new head gasket but it slipped my mind and it is still running 5 years later with a re-torqued head gasket.



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Posted November 17, 2014 - 08:05 PM

I'm using a valve from the 214. It is same length and dimensions but doesn't appear to be identical. Need a valve spring compressor tool next

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Posted November 18, 2014 - 10:29 AM

Or if anybody has any tricks to get the keepers on this valve, please enlighten me, lol.



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Posted November 18, 2014 - 11:19 AM

Yes, but having a gap like that could mean a piece of carbon came loose and is holding the valve open also.

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Posted November 18, 2014 - 12:09 PM

Yes, but having a gap like that could mean a piece of carbon came loose and is holding the valve open also.

huh?  did you read the thread please?  there is 2 pages now and we've found the problem i've posted pictures, lol.



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Posted November 18, 2014 - 12:20 PM

Sorry! My stupid phone app didn't show me the second page!
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Posted November 19, 2014 - 11:51 AM

does anybody have anytricks  for getting the keepers back in and compressing the spring?  all my local stores have are overhead valve style compressors and i need one like a c clamp but can't get it.  I have a small magnet i'm using to position the keeper, but can only get one in and then when i attempt to get the 2nd one in, the first one falls out.  Also when setting the valve clearance, is there a way i should have it at tdc or does it matter?  i know i turned that little pushing rod by accident while i was messing so i want to make sure i have proper clearance and want to at least use the feelers to make sure it's in spec.

 

thanks for everything guys!



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Posted November 19, 2014 - 12:15 PM

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you maybe able to use a door spring compressor too, Advance , Autozone, etc would have them.....

 

 

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Or you can make you one using an old pair of vse grips and two old open end wrenches

 

http://www.clubfte.c...hvalvetool.html



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Posted November 20, 2014 - 08:56 AM

Alright guys, how do i adjust the lifters?  somebody said simply turn it, it feels like it's turning by itself very easily and i'm not sure what would stop it from turning while the motors running.  Do i need to loosen the gold nut on top of it or is this how easy it is to adjust?



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Posted November 20, 2014 - 11:35 AM

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from the Kohler manual

if you do not have a manual you should download one 

 

it is in the manual section

try this one  - http://gardentractor...service-manual/



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Posted November 24, 2014 - 08:13 AM

I still can't get this damm valve in there!  What a nightmare i've tried to pry the spring up with everything i have.  I even bought one of those door spring compressors and it won't grab the springs in the right spot to make it tight enough.  I can get one retainer in there, but as soon as i lift the spring up to put the 2nd one in, the first one falls out.  I have 2 valve spring compressor tools that just won't work with this style of upside down valve and a tiny window to work in.  I'm at a loss and we got snow coming, really need to get this back running and the only thing holding me up is the damm valve keepers lol.

 

Also while i've got you guys....the cross shaped reeds, are those very picky in how they go back in?  i know on my 2 strokes reeds can sometimes be very finicky, just wonder if ther's anything is hould look out for.






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