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#1 IamSherwood OFFLINE  

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Posted October 31, 2014 - 06:47 PM

What would that third valve have been used for?

To power something like a woodsplitter, or? Not much psi there

for something like that. Did it have a detent position?


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Posted October 31, 2014 - 07:31 PM

Looked it up at Agco, and the 3rd spool kit did not have a detent.  I find no references to any attachment that would utilize the 3rd spool, nor remotes.



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Posted November 01, 2014 - 05:47 AM

Possible uses for the third valve:

 

- Angling a blade, front or rear

 

- Snowblower chute rotation or tilting

 

- Hydraulic trailer dump.

 

- A separate hydraulic lifting device for the tractor or one end of a car or truck.

 

- A cherry picker engine hoist.

 

- Any task that a bottle jack will do, provided a proper base plate and cylinder support are used.

 

With a pressure of 700 psi, many things are possible. A 2" cylinder will lift 2200 lb on extension, 2.5" will lift 3435 lb, and 3" will lift 4950 lb at a rate of 1.4" per second at WOT, or 0.47" per second at idle.

 

Remotes aren't all that difficult to install. JD does it on all of their H3 tractors. Remotes can be Teed to the front and rear so that an attachment can be connected at one end or the other as required.

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Reservoir capacity will accommodate 231 cu-in of total rod volume (diameter X stroke length). That is a lot of cylinders. Top up the reservoir when all cylinders are fully retracted and you're golden.

 

Then there are the tasks that can be done with a hydraulic motor, even with low relative flow and pressure. A winch comes to mind. Bear in mind that you have up to about 1.5 hp available for motor duty when the tractor is stationary. Less if it's moving.


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Posted November 01, 2014 - 07:42 AM

Having a third set of remotes comes in handy for having a grapple added to your FEL.


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Posted November 01, 2014 - 08:47 AM

What seems odd to me is Massey allowed for a 3rd, even though they didn't offer anything to utilize it.  That is of course a good thing, that they looked ahead for YOU.   Most manufacturers only add options that allow for using their attachments.


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Posted November 01, 2014 - 12:47 PM

Oops! Correction!

 

The volume available for cylinder rod displacement of fluid from the reservoir should have been 58 cu-in, not 231 cu-in. That's still a lot of cylinders.

 

I agree, Dan.That's one of the advanced thinking items that I appreciated when I first saw these tractors in the showroom.

 

I just wished that they'd carried that type of thinking a little further and added power steering!


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Posted November 01, 2014 - 12:50 PM

Oops! Correction!

 

The volume available for cylinder rod displacement of fluid from the reservoir should have been 58 cu-in, not 231 cu-in. That's still a lot of cylinders.

 

Yes, quite a few extra cylinders!  This is where it's important to use double action cylinders whenever possible.  Single action require lots more fluid capacity.  Most anything we all add to our GT's is double acting anyway.


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Posted November 01, 2014 - 05:21 PM

What seems odd to me is Massey allowed for a 3rd, even though they didn't offer anything to utilize it.  That is of course a good thing, that they looked ahead for YOU.   Most manufacturers only add options that allow for using their attachments.

 

And, looking through the price list, and brochure (in manuals here) there is no mention of the 3rd

valve, is odd too.



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Posted November 03, 2014 - 05:42 PM

Have you found a source for the third valve spool?  I'm building a hydraulic dump trailer that it would be really useful for!  I've only seen 1 Massey 1855 that had the third valve, but never had a chance to talk to the owner.


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Posted November 03, 2014 - 06:07 PM

Have you found a source for the third valve spool?  I'm building a hydraulic dump trailer that it would be really useful for!  I've only seen 1 Massey 1855 that had the third valve, but never had a chance to talk to the owner.

 

No, I don't have a source. I was just wondering. I've never seen one on a machine.

I suppose it'd be worth a call to a MF dealer to see if there are any out there.



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Posted November 04, 2014 - 01:00 AM

No, I don't have a source. I was just wondering. I've never seen one on a machine.

I suppose it'd be worth a call to a MF dealer to see if there are any out there.

The same valve sets were used on many loaders manufactured in the 70's and 80's, maybe the '90's as well. Several brands of GT's also used the same valve sets. There are minor differences in the porting, but they're all the same stackable valve sets. I believe they were made by Cessna.

 

I bought a set from Sears parts 30+ years ago. Most recently, I got a set from ebay a couple of years ago.


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Posted November 04, 2014 - 06:43 AM

Anybody have a pic of these valves? The Sears FF has what is supposed to be a stackable valve on it. May be the same thing.



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Posted November 04, 2014 - 01:43 PM

Here are two from Wheel Horses.

 

http://www.ebay.com/...f#ht_1417wt_716

 

http://www.ebay.com/...b#ht_1532wt_966

 

Note: As well as different porting, the levers may not attach in the same configuration that your application requires. This may require that you machine a new part to match the ones on your tractor to have the levers work correctly. I machined one from a piece of 1" diameter aluminum bar stock using my drill press, a router bit, and a cross slide vice.

 

It's not pretty, but it does the job.


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Posted November 05, 2014 - 08:45 AM

Glad I found an extra set of valves.....I can do some stacking and add on.

Not sure what I will add on though :D  I plan on putting the FEL on my other Snapper/PK



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Posted May 17, 2015 - 09:55 PM

Sorry to dig up an old post. I am working on installing a 3 point on my 1855 this week. My 3 point spool is broken. If I have to dig into it I might as well upgrade it. Does anyone have an idea of a drop in easy installation 3 spool valve?

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