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#1 tractormike OFFLINE  

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Posted February 13, 2011 - 11:59 AM

I have been fixing tractors up stock for a while and time to think about another custom tractor. I would like to build another Allis custom tractor as I plan on going to the " gathering of the orange " event with my Allis garden tractors. I would like to have a round hood Allis B-10 with a catagory 0 three point hitch to use my 12 inch Brinley plow with. In my project pile I have an Allis B-10 frame with a bad bevel gear box and bad tranny. I have a 14 horse power Kohler engine and a parts tractor 1450 Massey/Snapper frame with the 2 speed hydro and three point hitch, no PTO parts left. Both of the Allis and Massey tractors are shaft driven from the flywheel side of the engine. The Allis frame is bolted to the bevel gear box right at the area at the front of the rear fender deck. If I cut the Massey frame at about that point, add a plate to the Massey frame that the Allis front frame could bolt to and have the driveshaft pass through I think it would work!
I know this might be thinking out loud and maybe the Wisconsin winter has caused a bit of " cabin fever " but I think it would be a cool tractor. Might have to call it a B-1450, or maybe a HB-10 Hydro Special. What do you guys think?

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Posted February 13, 2011 - 01:16 PM

Sounds like a good project to me, Mike. It would be fun to watch the pieces come together!

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Posted February 13, 2011 - 01:31 PM

That should be a good project,I'd like to see that one in progress.

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Posted April 03, 2011 - 05:32 AM

I got the parts tractors down to the garage and started working on this project. I grabbed a Simplicity parts tractor which is the same as the Allis B-10 frame. I will be taking the 10 horsepower briggs engine off and repowering this project with a 14 horse Kohler I have. I did some measuring and cutting and set the Allis front end up to the Massey rear end for now to get an idea of what it will look like. Lots of work to do on it but you have to start someplace. Here are some pics of my progress on day 1 of this project.
Hauling in the parts tractors. This is the Massey 1450 frame with the hydro tranny I am going to use.

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This is the Allis/Simplicity tractor that will donate the front frame,steering and front wheels.
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Here are some pics of the surgery so far.
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Here are the 2 halves of the tractors set together.

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Posted April 03, 2011 - 06:27 AM

Mike you made a lot of progress in one day. Looks like it will work from here :D

Are you going to do something different for the rear fender and seat then the Massey 1450 seat and fenders? It screams to use the Allis fenders and seat.

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Posted April 03, 2011 - 06:32 AM

It's looks like the two tractors will work great for you . Will you be able to add a deck or snowplow/blower ?

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Posted April 03, 2011 - 06:59 AM

My plan right now is to use the Massey fender/seat pan. My goal is to have the 3 point hitch setup on this to use my 3 point Brinly plow. I should be able to use the front mount Allis attachments, snow blade and snow blower and the belly grader blade. The Allis mower deck will still bolt up but I will not have the mid mount PTO pulley that normally drives the deck. A front mount mule drive might work to make a mower deck run but that isn't a high priority for me. I have several of the mower deck lift cylinders from the Massey and want to make the Allis front lift run off of one of the Massey's hydraulic valves.
My plan is to end up with a B-10 with a hydro tranny, cat 0 three point hitch and hydraulic lift. I have a rare right hand lift lever that I might put on this tractor. With the right hand lift lever and the front lift and rear three point all mounted and working I could mount the front dozer blade, the belly blade and a rear three point hitch blade and run them all at the same time.
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Posted April 03, 2011 - 07:08 AM

I could mount the front dozer blade, the belly blade and a rear three point hitch blade and run them all at the same time.


Please take lots of pics, I think that would be cool!

As for the mule drive loss... If you put a pulley or sprocket on the drive shaft, could the bevel mount above or below and stll have room for everything?

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Posted April 03, 2011 - 07:21 AM

Very nice project, I learned some things.

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Posted April 10, 2011 - 07:37 PM

I had some time to work on this project today. I took off the Briggs engine and the upper frame work. I attached a piece of 2 inch channel iron to the rear of the Allis frame to help center it in the Massey frame.
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The Allis frame sits on top of a cross member that is already in the Massey frame.
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Here are the 2 frame welded together.
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I added a couple of steel plates to the front of the Massey frame to tie it in with the narrower Allis frame.
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Here are a couple of pictures of the frame as it is sitting ready to start installing the Kohler engine. I have to make some 3 inch high motor mounts to get the engine crankshaft to line up with the hydo input shaft on the Massey rear end. Then I will have to turn a new driveshaft and get it in place.
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Posted April 10, 2011 - 08:05 PM

Coming along nicely Mike! Whatchya gonna call it? On the engien mounts, you could always make a U-jointed driveshaft & leave the engine down lower.

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Posted April 10, 2011 - 08:15 PM

Daniel, I don't have a name for it yet, I'll see what it looks like when finished. I am raising the engine not only to get a straight shot for the drive shaft but the Kohler oil pan hangs down between the frame rails on the Cub Cadet but the Allis frame has a 3/8 " solid steel plate on the bottom of it also. By raising the engine 3 inches I don't have to mess around cutting out the Allis frame and I like the idea of a nice compact straight driveshaft as I am going to try to fit in a hydraulic cylinder and some other lift arm goodies within the narrow Allis frame.

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Posted April 10, 2011 - 08:18 PM

Very good progress Mike, I can't wait to see it finished.

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Posted April 10, 2011 - 08:19 PM

Yep Mike, in your build a straight shaft is the hot ticket, but I should have known you had this all down solid anyway! This sure ain't your 1st rodeo! LOL

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Posted April 10, 2011 - 08:23 PM

Call it a Snappey Allied Mass with a silly number like 1-50-14. Like a locker combination.




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