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#1 Oldford OFFLINE  

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Posted September 08, 2014 - 03:36 PM

Been looking for a K series hydro-lift, found this JD for sale nearby.

 

Some questions...  

 

How is the price on this? 

What vintage?

How were the electric pto's on these? 

How is the hydro lift/parts/seals?  does it lift front and rear? 

What trans/rear end? 

How many attachments are around, like front blade/blower, or rear hitch/tiller, will other years fit? 

 

I don't care about a mower deck, the wore out seat or the stove-up overspray just want reliability and availability, thanks

 

http://maine.craigsl...4646742345.html

 

john deere 140 h3 - $500 (belfast me)
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would make good pull tractor,14hp kohler engine,hydro trans,electric pto,no attachments,runs good, needs new seat,,also has pto shaft for tiller hook up, 3 lever hyd control, call me with trades...

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Posted September 08, 2014 - 03:59 PM

Welcome to the green side!  :smilewink:

 

First off, the price looks good to me but I live in the land of Deere and prices are higher around here than in other places.

 

Do you have a serial number?  At 30,001 the 140 went to the later style of hydro/axle.  That design was used thru the 300 series run with some variations.  The early design is not bad but parts are impossible to find.  

 

Pluses to this tractor:

  • rear pto
  • H-3 
  • newer tires (at least the rears don't look original to me)

Attachements that fit the 140 will also fit the 120 and the 300 series 

 

Weekendfreedommachines has this to say about the 140:

 

 

For the 1968 model year, Deere took on all comers with the all new model 140. Marketed to commercial users, truck farmers, nurserymen, and estate owners, it had the power and features to take on many tasks formerly relegated to larger equipment. Advertising of the day stated that the 140 could be purchased for roughly the same amount as "5-weeks wages of one good handyman". Based on an all-new design, the 1968 140 incorporated several new design features as standard never before used on a Deere Garden tractor:
  • Twelve horsepower, air cooled, Kohler model K301AS cast iron engine with Bendix style starter
  • Sundstrand hydrostatic transmission, unlimited forward speed to 6 > mph
  • Hydraulic attachment lift, with three spools optional (H3)
  • Quick -Tach style mounting of attachments
  • Electromagnetic PTO clutch for front and center mounted attachments.
  • 1 > gallon fuel tank with gauge
  • High back deeply cushioned seat adjustable for height and reach
  • Live rear power take off, used to operate the #33 tiller.

Introduced as a 12-horse model featuring the Kohler K310AS powerplant with a Bendix style starter, the 140 benefited from a hydrostatic transmission, allowing a seamless transition from forward to reverse travel, as well as static braking. A single large lever on the right side of the pedestal controlled this. The transmission was directly coupled to the engine via a steel driveshaft. A cone style clutch was provided to disconnect the engine from the transmission to aid in cold weather starting. For the 68 model year, this clutch was actuated by a single pedal on the left side of the tractor, which also applied the brakes. No provision was made to force the hydro lever back into the neutral position.

The hydrostatic transmission also afforded a new feature formerly only found on large farm tractors; hydraulic lift. The charge pump on the transmission fed a single spool valve on all models. The H3 models used the power beyond output of the single valve to supply pressurized oil to a separate two spool valve. The three levers on the left side of the pedestal were closely spaced to allow them to be "palmed". Pioneer style couplers were utilized on the front of the tractor to control attachments and an optional rear set of outlets powered a Category "0" three point hitch or other rear attachments. Deere advertised the ability to use multiple integral attachments at the same time, something the other manufacturers could not accommodate. The option of a front blade in conjunction with a rear mounted tiller was a popular choice.

Triple safe starting, a Deere feature from 1964 was incorporated on the 140. The PTO needed to be disengaged, the transmission in the neutral setting and the key be used before the tractor could be started. This feature was advertised by showing children playing and climbing on the tractor. Including sitting on the hood!

The model 140 H1 weighed approximately 730# with the H3 version tipping the scales at about 770#. The 140 was designed as a garden tractor, and as such, the work tools for it were heavily built. Deere designed options included:

  • Model 41 or 48 mower deck
  • Model 54 front blade with hydraulic lift standard and hydraulic angle optional
  • Model 49 front snow thrower with hydraulic lift
  • Model 33 rear tiller with a 26, 34, or 42 inch width and live PTO
  • Model 80 dump cart
  • Model 5a sprayer
  • Front and rear wheel weights
  • Tire chains, hub caps, cigarette lighter, and headlights
  • A Category "0" three point hitch
  • Tire equipment options

With a tractor the size of the 140, allied suppliers were quick to adapt it to their equipment. Front end loaders were available, as were groundsaws, post hole diggers, hard and soft sided enclosures, landscape rakes, numerous gardening tools like plows and discs, and other tools and attachments aimed at commercial users. A more comprehensive listing of these can be found in the allied attachments section of the site.

For 1969, the 140 received a 15% upgrade in power with a move to the 14 horsepower Kohler cast iron K321AS. Also new for the '69 model was individual rear brakes. These allowed sharper turns, as well as the ability to feather a wheel if it was spinning. A change a little more difficult to detect was a switch to a true three spool valve on the H3 models.

At Serial number 30001, for the 1971 model year a change was made in the type of hydrostatic unit used. This change incorporated a pinion and ring gear design rather than the bull gears used on previous models. The rear axle diameter was also increased. Rear brakes were changed for the disc type used up to this time to a more reliable drum brake system. Individual rear wheel brakes were retained on the H3 models.

Other changes were made throughout the run from the 1968 through 1974 model years. Additional John Deere attachments were added such as the 54C center mounted grader blade and the 542 front mounted PTO.

Serial number breaks are as follows:

 

Year Serial Number Engine
1968 1,001 - 10,000 Kohler K301 (12HP) 
1969 10,001 - 22,400 Kohler K321 (14HP) 
1970 22,401 - 30,000 Kohler K321 (14HP) 
1971 30,001 - 38,000 Kohler K321 (14HP) 
1972 38,001 - 46,500 Kohler K321 (14HP) 
1973 46.501 - 56,500 Kohler K321 (14HP) 
1974 56.501 - ? Kohler K321 (14HP)
 

Edited by Trav1s, September 08, 2014 - 04:00 PM.

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Posted September 08, 2014 - 04:01 PM

It has the hydraulics on the rear of it. Tractors from early 70s. That's about all I know but around here that would be a good deal on the tractor.
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Posted September 08, 2014 - 04:48 PM

Some things don't make sense here. The grille bezel shows the four legged deer, which was used on 1968-1970 tractors. The front wheels seem to be the bolt on type hubs, which was used from 1971-1974. The hood has the silver trim around the yellow on the decal, which was used on 1968-1972 tractors, but the hood hinges are from the 1968-1970 era. The rear is the newer rear, which was used in the 1971-1974 models. The rear PTO is correct for this later rear. Since there is a notch in the frame for the points, that will eliminate this tractor from being a 1969 140. The engine is a 14hp Kohler, so that, along with some other characteristics, eliminates the tractor from being a first year 1968. 

 

I'm going to venture to guess that this tractor is a 1971 model year, and other than the fender pan being all bent up, I'd say $500.00 is very fair. Have you asked him where the tiller is that used to be mounted on this tractor? 


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Posted September 08, 2014 - 04:50 PM

That's a great deal.It has the rear lift link for the integral lift.It also has the rear pto.There are a lot of attachments you can get for this.The snow blower and blade are a little pricier than the 110,112 blades.The 140 uses hyd lift and swivel.If you have the integral hitch you can put any of the brinly sleeve hitch attachments on it like plow,cultivator,disc,scraper blade,and planter.They also made a 3 pt for these tractors.They are a little salty though.I would jump on that.


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Posted September 08, 2014 - 05:07 PM

Troy named the things that looked off to me but I could not figure what it was.  Notice one of the hood uprights is a darker green too.  Perhaps it is a later tractor with earlier parts swapped over.


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Posted September 08, 2014 - 05:20 PM

After studying this tractor a little more, I'm going to change my guess of 1971. It appears that there isn't a pto indicator lamp on the dash, so that would put the year of this tractor at 1973 or 1974. I also agree that parts were donated from an earlier year 140, in order to complete this one. 

 

Good Luck to you on your decision. Hope it works out for you!  :thumbs:


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Posted September 08, 2014 - 06:13 PM

Good tractor, good price , not a 1970 or older. Has knob under the front of the seat which I don't think my 1970 has. Noel
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Posted September 08, 2014 - 07:37 PM

Thanks for all the info.  I'll try to have a look at it tomorrow.  Any thing i should ask about besides the missing tiller?  Anything special i should be checking out?  besides the basic stuff

 

 


Attachements that fit the 140 will also fit the 120 and the 300 series 

 

Found a couple local implements from a different seller, supposedly from a 300 series, pics below.  Does it look like they will work on the 140?   Any missing parts?  He wants 500 per implement, is that high?  At that price i can only get one.  I'm more a plow guy, how strong are these blowers?   thanks again

 

 

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Posted September 08, 2014 - 07:44 PM

The tractor is a great deal. The plow is not, imo; unless it's in better shape than the pic suggests. It's a 4 way though, they bring that and higher around here. 

 

The blower has a long chute, that's a plus. Depends on what condition the bearings, sprockets, and the condition/tolerance of the single stage cup to the rear housing is.


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Posted September 08, 2014 - 08:34 PM

Looks like a good deal to me! That rear pto is nice, My Bolens has a long drive shaft running from the front axle to the tiller out back, it impedes ground clearance.


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Posted September 09, 2014 - 05:29 AM

The tractor is a great deal. The plow is not, imo; unless it's in better shape than the pic suggests. It's a 4 way though, they bring that and higher around here. 

 

The blower has a long chute, that's a plus. Depends on what condition the bearings, sprockets, and the condition/tolerance of the single stage cup to the rear housing is.

 

What is the going rate on a 4-way plow?  I know it depends on location but what are these going for normally? 

 

The guy with the implements above has a tiller for 600, is this high?  He sells this stuff all the time, does the spray-bomb flip

 

Does the Deere tiller have its own mount or would i need to find a 3pth to run it? 

 

I'm used to paying 150 or so for manual implements, is all Deere stuff really 500-up per piece?  Not trying to bash just trying to understand the market here

 

Also what are the advantages to H-3 over other designs?  Also seems to be a selling point i.e. more expensive

 

thanks for the help



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Posted September 09, 2014 - 05:53 AM

A four way plow runs $400-$650 around here depending on condition. Since the seller doesn't show the cutting edge, I'm assuming the worst.
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Posted September 09, 2014 - 06:39 AM

It has a cutting edge didn't post all the pics have to look thru the spray job to see it

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Anyway I'm trying to figure out if I want to put $1000 into a 40-year old machine with just a front plow b/c of hydro lift.  My old armstrong ford works fine but hurts to use after a big storm.  So i'm looking for a machine with hydro lift.
 
Also i'd want to till the garden, if the tiller is 600+ I would have around $2k in a 40-year old machine with just 2 attachments and wondering when something big would let go...?
 
I'm not brand loyal, is there a different brand with k-series & hydraulics that don't usually cost so much and good spare parts supply?  Like under a grand w/tiller and front blade in running shape, thanks
 

 



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Posted September 09, 2014 - 02:55 PM

I payed $500.oo for mine, with a deck only. I would like to get a thrower or snow plow for it. They would be $300.oo to $500.oo each here in my area.  But are very rare here.  I doubt if I could find a tiller. Just looking for stuff to give the tractor more to do.  Noel






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