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#1 Talntedmrgreen OFFLINE  

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 03:49 PM

Thought I would share a bit about the forklift attachment I got my hands on.  This was NOS from a retired dealer up in MN.  From what I'm told, he closed up shop in '73, having never been a GT dealer, but had purchased the forklift to adapt to the rear of an Allis B or C AG tractor.  I guess he never did.  =]

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There were two varieties of the AC forklift attachment, both being extremely rare and built by Henry Manufacturing (as were the 7 loaders for Simplicity/Allis).  The first forklift was named after the only AC GT of the time, the B-1.  The second was also named after the GT it was designed to be paired with, the B-10.  Mine is the earlier of the two, and is suited perfectly for my B-1, IMHO.  There was also an adapter kit offered to convert a B-1 forkift to a B-10 forklift.  The difference was in the pump mounting.

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I worked out a pickup from the AC AG parts dealer who purchased this from the original owner.  He delivered it to the Lathrop MO GOTO, where a buddy grabbed it up and dropped it off to Fastenal for me back near his home in Beatrice, NE.  

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Fastenal finally got it to me the day before the Fourth of July...would have been a looooong weekend otherwise.
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The forklift takes a dedicated tractor...I will get some more pictures up of what is involved.  My B-1 is being a real pain right now, running poorly and intermittently, as though it knows how badly I want to run it WOT for hours on end, shuffling items in the shop.   :wallbanging: 


Edited by Talntedmrgreen, July 14, 2014 - 03:50 PM.

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 04:09 PM

Sounds good Josh, can't wait to see it mounted.


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 08:06 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing this!
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Posted July 14, 2014 - 10:08 PM

Box of orphaned parts...mid pto has to go too.

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The Main frame is very simple to install...with a third hand. The front of the frame simply slides into the rear of the wishbone axle support (and quite snugly...it must slide STRAIGHT on, squarely)

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the rear mount uses the bolt holes to the transaxle, that the drawbar assembly used. The seat now hinges on the rear of the forklift frame.

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The valve assembly finds its home where the frame where the lift quadrant formerly lived

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The pump mount is a stinker...it replaces the engine mount spacers. The hood and grill need to move out of the way to access all 4 bolts, and the lower grill mount also needs to be removed temporarily. Again, a third hand is welcomed.


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 11:10 PM

Looking good, glad you were able to get one of them. Can't wait to see it finished and working.


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Posted July 15, 2014 - 05:36 AM

This is a very neat thread :thumbs:   To see it all apart and being installed , thanks   


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Posted July 15, 2014 - 06:30 AM

It was torture after bringing this thing home.  4th of July weekend was jam-packed with family stuff (not a bad thing, but hey, I had an Uber-rare tractor attachment sitting at home!), then when I would normally have a bit of time to tinker, there were the two babies to tend to.  Last thing I want to do is be out in the garage wrenching while Momma is in the house with screaming kids.  That'll land you in a tough spot quick!

 

The valve controls and Cessna gear pump were super easy to mount, and runs engine speed off the front PTO (live).  It uses a Morse Morflex coupler, from the factory.  My B-1 loader uses this coupler as well, but I didn't have one for that, and wasn't able to identify just what coupler was OEM.  I may now replace the coupler on the B-1 loader as well.

 

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The pump was definitely never used.  Clean as a whistle!

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So, it took a few days to get this mounted up...5 mins here, 30 mins there.  I was missing the front counterweights, a hydro line and mast tilt cylinder.  I was able to source a proper sized cylinder from Suprlus Center for cheap, but had to weld on a cross tube vs the ball joint it came with.  I had 1 line made at the local auto shop.

 

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Posted July 15, 2014 - 07:50 AM

I'm lurking on this! Very nice attachment you scored there!


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Posted July 15, 2014 - 09:50 AM

When I got the old girl setup, I filled here with good ol Dino 30 weight, and cycled her a bit to get the juices flowing and watch fluid level.  Dont' want it too high, or it's all over the pump and shop floor.  Don't want it too low or she foams and cavitates.  The book calls for only 2.5qts.

 

Trouble I had was that since this has sat on a shelf for 50 years (I believe it to be a 1964 model by the serial #...I have collaborated with a couple other owners with '63 models and they have a 3 in the ser# where I have a 4), the mast was stuck.  Not seized, but real sticky with old hard grease, glued by paint and mixed with touches of surface rust.  Since my B-1 was now running, but not well, raising the mast at half throttle was fine until I hit that gooey wall, and she would stall.  I scraped, cleaned, lubed, lowered, raised, scraped, cleaned, lubed, lowered, etc over and over, gaining a couple inches at a time.  The chain was also pretty stuff, and so that got a break in. 

 

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Finally worked her all the way UP!  This lift is rated at 500lbs, to 66".  It has 20* of tilt.  The tough part I hadn't considered while freeing up the mast, was actually getting it DOWN.  It has a single action cylinder for lift, so gravity is all I had to help me.  It took me a while to work it up and down while greasing the mast so it would move freely.

 

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Posted July 15, 2014 - 02:33 PM

In a stroke of good fortune, a local AC AG tractor collector reached out to me, after I had been inquiring among the AG guys, looking for AC industrial weights to replace those that were missing from my machine.  He lives near me, and works near where i work...but at a machine repair facility, and is a bit of a machining hobbiest himself.  He worked up these weights, of the same dimensions as OEM.  First pics are my fabbed weights (16x15x2", 138lbs each) and the second is a set of OEM.  A little yellow paint and I may just fool a few folks!  Goes to show yet again what kind of folks Tractor Guys are.

 

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The B-1 is running up to about 3/4 throttle now, after 3 carbs, countless leaning, s carb rebuilds etc etc.  Spark is beautiful.  I gotta track that problem down.

 

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Posted July 15, 2014 - 03:26 PM

So that's what you was inquiring about the cylinder for, cool.

 

Those flow-junks either work or they don't, even rebuilt it can give fits.



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Posted July 15, 2014 - 03:39 PM

Well...I shouldnt entirely blame it on the engine. I have had similar challenges with all of my 700/725/B1 tractors. With the low mounting of the tank there is very little forgiveness for fuel flow quirks. There is ziltch for gravity feed, depending on the fuel line arrangement. Having this valve near the carb created the need for a new line, and problems compounded. Im so, so close.

Its cold today....mid 60's and no humidity...bet she runs fine. Wont start at all when its 85 and humid.

I am going to try again to hit the sweet spot with the float. I have never had a Flo-Jet beat me yet. I have a nos carb on now...
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Posted July 15, 2014 - 06:58 PM

That lift is looking real good! Hope you get the engine running smooth so you can play with it!



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Posted July 15, 2014 - 08:42 PM

So looking forward to the video on this one. Congrats!

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Posted July 15, 2014 - 09:37 PM


Good looking loader glad you found it.
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