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1969 Jd 110, Engine Swap ?

kohler 8 hp tecumseh 10 hp 1969 jd 110

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#1 magneto1963 OFFLINE  

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Posted July 05, 2014 - 10:38 PM

hi, I just picked up a 1969 john deer 110 with a blown 8 hp kohler engine. i also have an early 1970,s bolens g -10 with a Tecumseh hh 100 10 hp,does anybody know if the Tecumseh hh100 would bolt into the john deer without to many problems? any help would be appreciated. thanks.

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Posted July 05, 2014 - 10:45 PM

Look slike hydraulic lift thats a plus.  Im pretty sure the later model 110 had a hh100 or a 10 hp Tecumseh in them so i would imagine it would bolt up pretty easily


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Posted July 05, 2014 - 10:52 PM

Boy, I'd blow up too if I had to carry all three implements at one time.

 

What's wrong with the Kohler?  This is a K series, you can nearly set off a grenade inside the engine, collect the pieces, and put it back together and it will be just as good as before. 

 

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Posted July 05, 2014 - 11:17 PM

lol,yeh I just put all the attachments on it for the pic. I just got it today for free. found on kijiji . the guy said the kohler had a broken connecting rod. just thought id use the Tecumseh while I was reparing the kolher.as it could take a month or so to get parts.


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Posted July 06, 2014 - 03:33 AM

Pull the Kohler out and Measure the Base of the Tecumseh from Bolt to Bolt left to right and front to back.Then measure the bolt holes on the JD frame.There should be 2 sets of holes on the JD.

 

You don't have to pull the Tecumseh out of the bolens to Measure it if you measure the bolt heads under the frame.

 

I'm thinking it will be a direct bolt on But I'm not sure that the crank will be the right size on the Tecumseh for the JD Clutch and drive pulley.Not sure if they used 1" or 1 1/8" crank on the JDs.The Bolens engine should be 1".


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Posted July 06, 2014 - 06:29 AM

Both engines are directly bolted to the frame on the ff tractors and are not the same. Looks like a nice machine for free.
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Posted July 06, 2014 - 06:30 AM

Also the lift pump is likely different on the k181 and hh100.
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Posted July 06, 2014 - 02:51 PM

yes, I couldn't believe it when he told me all the attachments came with it.im even feeling like I should phone him back and offer him a few days work or some cash for it, lol. also I put another add out looking for a 8 hp kohler engine,and a fellow responding this morning,so il be picking up a complete and running 1972 jd 110 10 hp kohler with a snow blade and garden plow for $300 in 4 days. thanks for your help everybody. :thumbs:


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Posted July 06, 2014 - 03:56 PM

Man I need to come hang out with you. I never get "free" stuff! Great find! Congrats!
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Posted July 06, 2014 - 04:25 PM

The k181 8HP Kohler is the "small block" of the K series.  The K241 10HP is a "big block" and is directly interchangeable with the K301/12HP, K321/14HP, and K341/16HP engines.  There was also a significant design change somewhere in the flat fender production run when Deere moved from the solid mount to a cradle (to reduce vibration)  I am not sure where the change took place...

 

Just putting this out there as FYI


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Posted July 07, 2014 - 12:12 AM

thanks, I was wondering if the 10 hp would fit in the 1969 8 hp model but it turns out the machine im picking up in a couple days is white body and orange hood,did the patio series 110 come with a 10 hp ? if so and it is a patio series, I imagine its worth restoring ?



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Posted July 07, 2014 - 06:30 AM

Yes the custom color/patio tractors came with the 10 hp engine,  They are worth your time and effort.  Info from WFM

 

 

John Deere Custom Color Lawn and Garden Tractors

During the 1969 model year, John Deere introduced the Custom Color series of lawn and garden tractors and attachments. Collectors often referred to this equipment as "Patio Models". In 1969, the models offered in Custom Colors were the 110, 112, and 140. The Model 120 was added to this list the following year in 1970. The marketing group at John Deere Horicon Works felt that not all of their customers wanted a green garden tractor, and so by offering a variety of colors, sales of lawn tractors would increase. These Custom Color lawn and garden tractors were painted entirely in Dogwood White except for the hood and seat. The hood and seat were offered in one of four colors: Patio Red, Sunset Orange, April Yellow, and Spruce Blue. These colors matched those of John Deere’s popular competitors. Tractors were shipped minus the hood and seat; the dealer would then install the colored hood and seat of choice.

All the attachments were painted Dogwood White to match the garden tractors. Some of these attachments included the #80 Cart, #37A and #49 Snow throwers, #31 and #33 Tillers, #43 and #54 Front Blades, #5A Sprayers, and of course all models of the mower decks including the #39, #47, #41, and #48.

Originally when they were released in 1969 the entire tractor was painted in Dogwood White except for the hood and seat, of course. This included such things as the engine, fuel tank, mower deck attachment linkage, and the mule drive on certain models. John Deere found that the white paint on the engine had a tendency to stain. Also this meant that more parts had to be painted separately. So, for 1970, black paint was used on the engine, fuel tank, mower attachment linkages and some other items. This way these parts could be used on both the custom color and the green lawn and garden tractors without separate painting being done. Even though the engine on the Custom Color 140 was changed to black in 1970, the air cleaner cover remained in white. The seat base is unique to Custom Colored tractors in that it is textured and not smooth like the green tractors.

Also when these models were released in 1969 the type number for the green and Custom Color versions was the same on the serial number plate. Later this was changed so that a unique type number was used for the Custom Color tractors.

It didn’t take long for John Deere’s Marketing Group to find out that customers buying John Deere garden tractors wanted a green tractor and not one of a different color. Sales of the Custom Color tractors were disappointing and in the 1971 model year, production of the custom color tractors ceased. Dealers repainted many of the tractors and hoods green to get them sold. Many of the seats were used to make parts counter stools, were given away, or they ended up laying around on dealer parts shelves for years waiting to be picked up by collectors. The yellow seats, of course, were used on the green tractors and the first to be used. Because of this, yellow is probably the hardest color of seat to find.

The Ertl Toy Co. of Dyersville, Iowa made a matching set of 1/16th scale Custom Colored garden tractors to match the real ones. These 1:16 scale toys were offered in the four colors and a matching Dogwood White lawn trailer was also available. These toys were offered in a "Dealer Display" box and are highly sought after by toy and garden tractor collectors alike.

Today the Custom Color or patio garden tractors that John Deere made have become highly collectible. Due to the fact that they sold poorly when new, they are somewhat more difficult to find than their green counterparts. Many have been found wearing the familiar green and yellow paint, so be sure to examine the type codes. Many collectors consider the Custom Color 120 the most difficult to find, and there is much debate surrounding which of the colors is the most rare. Many of the attachments other than the mower decks are among the hardest to find of John Deere factory attachments.

Below is the list of the Dupont Centari paint codes and a listing of custom color type numbers.

Starmist White 59373 Lemans Blue Metallic 5030 Sunset Orange 60659 Fleet Red 2622 Fleet Yellow 23820

 Custom Tractor Type codes for 1970 and 1971 models only, as the 1969 models are the same as the green ones.

110 T0642M, T0648M 112 T0654M, T0655M, T0656M, T0658M 120 T0572M 140 T0582M, T0584M

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