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#1 Usandrew13 OFFLINE  

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Posted June 12, 2014 - 09:39 PM

Hi I own a case 446, I am in process of building a loader for it and 3-point hook up. I'm useing the loader pillars as resorve tank. I'm concerned if the hydro pump on tractor is strong enough to Handel loader and travel of tractor or if auxiliary pump is needed. New to sight heard great things hope you can help me out thanks.!!
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Posted June 12, 2014 - 09:57 PM

Welcome to the forum!

 

I can't answer off hand on Case in general, but from my experience in building hydraulic systems the numbers you want are the auxiliary (assuming you tie into an auxiliary circuit) GPM for the Case hydraulic system and the GPM cycle requirements for the loader.  Match that and see what happens.  Then match your PSI requirements to operate the loader efficiently and what the Case can produce.  If your Case can produce less PSI than the loader wants, it will slow down the whole tractor operation. 

 

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Posted June 12, 2014 - 11:58 PM

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Posted June 13, 2014 - 05:25 AM

:wave: Welcome to the forum! I think Ben gave you a very good answer.



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Posted June 13, 2014 - 05:31 AM

Welcome to GTTalk !    Did Case offer a loader option for your tractor ? Maybe it would give you a clue on which direction your need to go . Good Luck



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Posted June 13, 2014 - 06:27 AM

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Posted June 13, 2014 - 06:36 AM

Welcome to GTTalk. I think you should check out what Case and other third party vendors had available for a loader. I don't think you will have any problems with pump capacity as the hydrive system has a lot of flow compared to a typical hydrostatic drive. I'm wondering if you will even need a reservoir on the loader given the amount of fluid in the Case system. I am not familiar with the pressure that the Case operates at, but that needs to be taken into account to get the speed versus capacity equation sorted out.  A quick look at the factory Case setup would give you an idea of what cylinder diameter they used.



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Posted June 13, 2014 - 08:17 AM

No idea about the hydro system . But you will need to upgrade the spindels

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Posted June 13, 2014 - 08:55 AM

I have a Case 444 and my son has a Case / Ingersoll 446 and both of these tractors have a good size hydraulic pump.

Case makes a hydraulic power take off that mounts on the back of the tractors.

The hydraulic system is powerful enough to operate a hydraulic rototiller so I wouldn't think operating a FEL would be any problem.



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Posted June 13, 2014 - 06:08 PM

Thanks guys, I agree with ya all. Talked to a hydrolic service center today and the recommend trying with existing pump. And if and issue upgrade. The spec sheet for tractor says 8 gpm and auxiliary pressure of 560 psi. Great advice I'll try to post pics as I go. Going for complete re paint on tractor befor done. Thanks again everyone.

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Posted June 13, 2014 - 09:22 PM

Case 446 loader what size ram would you recommend 1-1/2 rod dia. Or 2".

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Posted June 13, 2014 - 10:21 PM

A little info on the Case system. The travel side of the system has a potential of 2000+ psi plus upwards of 12+ gpm. That is enough to run 2 loaders and power steering. It also uses motor oil for fluid. The only trouble I see is plumbing a loader valve into the system without adversly affecting the travel system. Your gonna have to run something off the lift side which can be adjusted up to 1000 psi which is also enough to run a loader. I would also recomend adding a filter into the system, as most Case' did not have one. Case, as far as know, never offered a loader for the 400 series tractors since they sold the 600 series which was a loader tractor. Hope that helps.

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Posted June 14, 2014 - 01:33 PM

Thanks Eric that's what I was hopping for, if I run off lift side do you think will still be able to run mower lift.
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