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#1 whitelt120 OFFLINE  

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Posted April 16, 2014 - 10:17 PM

I recently purchased a 10 for $50, and it seems to not have any spark. So I tried to clean the points, this did nothing, so I assumed that it was because of the ignition module. My first question is, is there any other options as to why it would have no spark? And if it is the module, do you guys feel it would be worth the price of one to fix the mower.
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Posted April 16, 2014 - 10:20 PM

I had same issue on my snapper 1650  Koehler k 341.  I had a bad coil.


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Posted April 16, 2014 - 10:37 PM

If it has points there shouldn't be any type of module. It is the SSI (solid state ignition) units that are expensive to fix.

 

Does yours have an automotive style coil? I am assuming this is the HH100 engine with external points right?


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Posted April 17, 2014 - 06:23 AM

If the unit has points, you are in luck. Generally, points units are much cheaper to fix than the ones with the Solid State.

First thing is to make sure the points are opening and closing properly. Make sure it has continuity when they are closed and are not grounding out when open.

Next, pull the tins and clean the magnets and coil pickups. A light film of rust can develop and kill your spark.
Set the gap between the magnets and the pickup with a couple of business cards. It used to be one thick one, but cards have gotten thinner.

Disconnect the kill wire from the engine ( I think you would have had to move it at least to get the tins off anyways) and turn it over. I check for spark by using a pair of locking pliers or such and locking it on its side to the tin. Just don't get carried away with the pliers.

At this point, you should have spark. If not, we need to delve a little further.
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Posted April 17, 2014 - 08:40 AM

I had same issue on my snapper 1650  Koehler k 341.  I had a bad coil.

Had same with my 7hp kohler call for new coil 773 235 2010 standard magneto sales chicago  ILL



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Posted April 17, 2014 - 10:35 AM

Do you have a manual for that 10. If you don't you can find them in our Manuals section. Take a look at the wiring diagram and make sure you don't have a wiring problem. 50$ is a good price for a 10. They are a nice classic GT.



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Posted April 17, 2014 - 06:02 PM

Well I clearly didn't know what I was talking about when I said points. From what you guys said I can tell that I am working with a solid state ignition I just didn't know what to call it. I think I will look up the wiring diagram like you said, I'm hoping that this isn't a $200 dollar fix

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Posted April 17, 2014 - 06:03 PM

Do these have any effect on the spark? I notice one is shorter than the other.

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Posted April 17, 2014 - 11:10 PM

Those two pins make this a probable expensive fix if it isn't something simple.
Do a search in this forum for Tickle Test and also check out the website http://enginesandmag....com/index.html

Overnight solutions has a drop in replacement and there are several other options. First thing first is to disconnect the kill wire fron the CDI and see if you now have spark. If not, that's bad.

There are lots of testing procedures at that website I listed above but the nuts and bolts of it is either build a CDI replacement yourself or buy a replacement system.
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Posted April 17, 2014 - 11:19 PM

Actually, this thread talks about most of what you're dealing with.
http://gardentractor...nt/#entry434236

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Posted April 26, 2014 - 02:13 PM

did you set the air gap it should be .005 if im correct off the top of my head?


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Posted April 26, 2014 - 10:19 PM

Those 2 pins are your trigger pins for the solid state module.Yes one doesn't stick out of the flywheel as far as the other.


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Posted April 30, 2014 - 06:20 PM

Thanks guys for the tips! I've been away for a while but I can't wait to get started and try to get this situation taken care of

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Posted April 30, 2014 - 09:02 PM

Just throwing this out, you may consider a repower with one of the HF/Northern tools engine. May be cheaper than fixing the bad ignition module.


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Posted May 01, 2014 - 12:30 PM

Do you think a Koehler would fit? Like a k301 or one of that style?




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