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#1 troyport OFFLINE  

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Posted March 26, 2014 - 01:41 PM

Hello.  I am changing the engine on my Snapper 52" commercial walk behind.  I have a chance to pick up the above engine, new, quite cheaply.  The specs from Kawasaki show it to have a .98" (25MM) diameter output shaft.  I am having trouble finding a clutch to fit, seems everything is for a 1 inch shaft.  Any suggestions?  Thanks, Mike



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 01:46 PM

Welcome to GTtalk. You could take the clutch hub to a machine shop and have them ream it out to 1"


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Posted March 26, 2014 - 02:23 PM

I'm sorry, I think I misled you..   the shaft on the engine is 25MM, (.98")  Most electric PTO clutches are 1".  So most clutches are too big and will be sloppy on the output shaft.  I figure I have 2 choices:  1) find a PTO clutch with a .98" bore, or, sleeve the crankshaft with a .010" wall bushing (or shim stock).  That latter idea is shoddy, I think. I guess I need to find a clutch with the proper bore..  any ideas where?  Or better yet, does anyone know of any garden tractors / walk behind mowers that have this engine so I can get a clutch listing for it? Thanks, Mike.


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Posted March 26, 2014 - 02:49 PM

I'm not sure on the crankshaft diameter but a lot of JD GT's use Kawasaki engines. It's probably going to be hard to find a high capacity clutch that is less than 1" diameter in order to bore it to 25mm. 



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 02:51 PM

I'm sorry, I think I misled you..   the shaft on the engine is 25MM, (.98")  Most electric PTO clutches are 1".  So most clutches are too big and will be sloppy on the output shaft.  I figure I have 2 choices:  1) find a PTO clutch with a .98" bore, or, sleeve the crankshaft with a .010" wall bushing (or shim stock).  That latter idea is shoddy, I think. I guess I need to find a clutch with the proper bore..  any ideas where?  Or better yet, does anyone know of any garden tractors / walk behind mowers that have this engine so I can get a clutch listing for it? Thanks, Mike.

If you want to go this way, I would go big as you can and have a steel bushing machined.

 

Wheel Horse use a clutch with a 7/8" shaft that could be machined out to 25MM.



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 03:54 PM

I would think there should be an electric PTO clutch out there with a 25mm bore.  Just can't seem to find one easily.  The other option is to make a counter shaft - put a double pulley on that 25MM output shaft, let the upper pulley drive the gearbox in the usual way, then have the lower pulley drive a 1 Inch counter shaft, and have a standard 1" clutch on that.  I think I have room for it.  Of course it would mean different belts, bearings, fabricating, etc..  Probably easier to just get a 25mm clutch.  Does anyone know of a garden tractor that has this engine on it from the factory?  I've found quite a few with Kaw engines, but all a different series, all have 1" shafts.  This is probably why I can get this engine so cheap!



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 05:40 PM

The JD 240, 245, 260, 265, 285, 320 and 345 all use Kawasaki engines but I couldn't tell you what the out put shaft size is. I know the 285, 320 and 345 use the FD590V engine.  Maybe this may narrow your search a bit.  By the way welcome to GTtalk.



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 06:01 PM

I think .980" is what my JD430 rear pto shaft measures.  I will measure it in a few minutes to be sure.



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 06:09 PM

Yep, the JD430 rear pto shaft measures around .984"+-, or 25mm.  Be warned, it's likely very expensive!



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 06:58 PM

That engine is used on a bunch of Zero Turn and riding mowers.Cub cadet uses that engine on a couple RZT and Z Force mowers.

 

http://www.cubcadet....2-can-rzt-42--1

 

http://www.cubcadet....-force--s-48--1

 

http://www.cubcadet....can-ltx-1146--1

 

Might be a good place to start looking for a clutch.I seriously doubt that the crank isn't standard 1" or 1 /18" diameter knowing that it was used on so many machines.

 

If the Engine is Local I would take your existing clutch down and see if it fits or call Cub Cadet 1-800-668-1238



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 07:28 PM

I believe the JD 265 is 1 1/8 inch, Kawasaki FC540V, 17hp.



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Posted March 26, 2014 - 08:09 PM

The Cub RZT 50 has the FR651 installed in it.  You can get a new one here for $306.  I thought that model number sounded familiar!  I just worked on a RZT about a month ago.



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Posted March 27, 2014 - 07:16 AM

I have a few Kaw engines kicking around my workshop, in varying stages of wear..   All of them have a 1" shaft.  But according to the Kawasaki website, this FR651V has this 25mm shaft.  I am assuming the website is correct. 

Without knowing what other machines use that engine it was difficult to locate a part number for a clutch to fit, but with that info on the Cub Cadet and link to a part number, now I have a starting point!   Thanks guys!   Mike.  P.S. - thanks for the welcome wishes.. 



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Posted March 27, 2014 - 07:45 AM

.I was thinking a bushing would work but only .008" thick that would almost something like a speedie sleeve thickness



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Posted March 27, 2014 - 08:11 AM

I have a few Kaw engines kicking around my workshop, in varying stages of wear..   All of them have a 1" shaft.  But according to the Kawasaki website, this FR651V has this 25mm shaft.  I am assuming the website is correct. 

Without knowing what other machines use that engine it was difficult to locate a part number for a clutch to fit, but with that info on the Cub Cadet and link to a part number, now I have a starting point!   Thanks guys!   Mike.  P.S. - thanks for the welcome wishes.. 

 

Let us know how it works out.  Some pic's would be nice as well.






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