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Posted February 26, 2014 - 11:11 PM

We did not loose any cuttings to rain. We did loose our first, because a neighboring farmer accidentally had his spray, drift on to the alfalfa. It did not kill the alfalfa, but we won't know till this year if it had any lasting affect. We raise natural freezer beef, so we did not want to feed contaminated hay.

Not organic, keep the EPA and FDA out of your hair, we did that when the organic craze took off in the late 90's.

A hint, feed them some clean bread with the hay, saves on the grain and is packed with grains and surgar anyways.



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Posted February 26, 2014 - 11:24 PM

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We usually no till all the soybeans
 
 
The corn on corn ground we disc dirt then deep chisel plow field finish then plant.

That makes sense why you can pull a wider field cultivator than our finisher, and that you can go so deep. I guess your doing the same thing our finisher does by first disking, then running your field cultivator back over the field. We generally just work our corn ground once with the finisher, then plant. If there is a weed issue and the ground is fit, we might work the corn ground twice. We no-till our soybeans.

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Posted February 27, 2014 - 08:09 AM

The main reason we disc the corn on corn ground , is we do not chop the stalks in the fall.  These new RR and BT hybrids the stalks are so tough , plus we like most do are planting at 38,000 for population.  There is a crazy amount of trash left in the spring.  So we disc to cut the stalks , then deep chisel to bury some of the trash and break up hard pan,  field cultivate  to level and then plant,  Our corn stalks that will be going to beans are 100% notill.  The bean stubble going to corn is a 50 50 split between notill and field cultivate  

 

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is that a 12 row Kinze planter? 


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 08:26 AM

Looking like a Kinze to me, hard pull those are.

 

rdehli, do you plant winter wheat or green manure after disking ? and do you rotate the fields every year or are you fertilizing/ nutrients to make up for the loss ?


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 08:56 AM

We rotate most of the corn to beans and vice versa but 1 land lord does not allow soybeans on his farm so its continuous corn. we are also thinking of starting some green manure acres with winter rye, might try a few acres this year. As far as fertilization goes we dry spread the bean ground with 100 pounds of actual 18-46-0 and 0-0-60 in the spring. the corn ground gets around 200 pounds of actual N nitrogen along with 100 pounds of P and K plus 25 pounds of Sulfur. its all spring applied. A few acres gets some pen packed solid manure from the feedlot. Yes we fertilize every year, but some farmers in Iowa are only putting on fertilizer once every 2 years but in greater ammounts. Its cheaper for us to spoon feed it then to plan ahead for 2 years.
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Posted February 27, 2014 - 09:08 AM

Better safe the sorry in the short run too. Hybreed Cow Corn in the CT River Valley is popular, very stout stubbles and stalks to disk for sure, they plant winter rye and drop/till under nitro pellets in the fall.

 

Why do you also use 0-0-60 for the corn, because of hybreed sweet corn ?


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 09:19 AM

Because the corn plant will need 1/3 of a pound of K per bushel of corn produced. So 200 bushel corn would require at least 60 pounds of K per acre. We always try to keep building fertility here, so we apply a little extra, so you have it for next year, or if we turn into Alfalfa, cause Alfalfa really needs K
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Posted February 27, 2014 - 09:43 AM

Yes, it seems a strong mix but i see now, you really plan ahead. I take the bulk of the corns are sweets or for the ethanol market ?

 

Alfalfa is prime around here,  hard to grow up here, with the thin soils with high conentrations of Mica Schist, PH of natrual nitro veries, the CT River flood plains make up with the river silt down into Hadley and Amherst.  Alfalfa bales is gold here, last i checked it was almost $ 10 a bale and over in the winter, loose mixed with chopped and fermented ensilage during feed out for the milkers.

Lot of the corns here is ensilage and chopped, what's left is dried in the fields and combined for feed kernnals with the stalks/trash tilled in, winter/late fall cuttings are common.


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 10:33 AM

Most of my area in Northeast Iowa Southeast Minnesota rotate corn and soybeans, but we also have a fair amount of Dairy here to. We also grow corn for silage, and Alfalfa for both silage and also big square and large round bales for beef cow operations. Also in my area we have a large concentration of hog finish buildings which supply many acres with natural fertilizer which will build organic matter in the soil and keep it healthier. and savers the farmer a lot of money on input costs too.
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Posted February 27, 2014 - 10:34 AM

Do you in Ma have to fight traffic when moving machinery down the roads or do they respect the farmer and slow down. 


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 10:51 AM

Do you in Ma have to fight traffic when moving machinery down the roads or do they respect the farmer and slow down. 

Peter was driven into by a driver in a full size truck two years ago, clear sunny day with no trees or cars around.

He never touched his brakes. The bucket took the brunt of the impact, new bucket and arm assy was required but we don't care much for the new type of float one the joystick controls.

 

There is another term we use a lot now,..MassHoles....even up here drivers here will shock you ! lots of new city people moving up here for the ''country living'' bring the narrow minded self centerness up with them, we have to be very, very careful between fields or transporting equipments, sundays are the best days.


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 10:57 AM

The main reason we disc the corn on corn ground , is we do not chop the stalks in the fall.  These new RR and BT hybrids the stalks are so tough , plus we like most do are planting at 38,000 for population.  There is a crazy amount of trash left in the spring.  So we disc to cut the stalks , then deep chisel to bury some of the trash and break up hard pan,  field cultivate  to level and then plant,  Our corn stalks that will be going to beans are 100% notill.  The bean stubble going to corn is a 50 50 split between notill and field cultivate  

 

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is that a 12 row Kinze planter? 

Now I understand your method. The Kinze is a 8-15(8 row for corn, 15 row for beans). The units are staggered. It pulls pretty easy. We use the big tractor to pull it for beans, because it does pull a bit harder in untilled ground and the other tractor is being used to pull the sprayer.


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Posted February 27, 2014 - 11:00 AM

so in other words you try to move in the daylight and make darn sure every thing is folded up SMV sign in place and all Is dotted and Ts crossed. You have my sympathy.

Out here in Iowa we can still get by moving a 20 foot disc down the road , just watch for mail boxes. Our field cultivator is the worst its 28 1/2 foot wide in the field folds up to just under 10 foot wide but you have a bunch of nasty shovels pointing right at on coming traffic. They just don"t respect the size and power of what your pulling.

Some of those so called people looking for an excape to the wilderness, should really think before they move out to the country!.
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Posted February 27, 2014 - 11:04 AM

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in our neck of the woods we call your planter a split row. THEY ARE REALLY NICE. Our beans are planted in 30" rows most are that way here , a few are split row and the rest are 8" drilled beans, but watch out for white mold and weed issues with those drilled beans.

What do you shoot for population wise for beans over there, ? We try for 125,000-140,000 per acre most beans here are 2.1-2.5 too whats yours?
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Posted February 27, 2014 - 11:11 AM

I know some people like to be very carful, but I don't understand why when you pull way off the road, giving them plenty of room, they still stay as far over as they can and sometimes go slow. Maybe they think it will jump out at them. I guess you can't blame someone for being carful.


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