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Posted February 25, 2014 - 02:33 PM

Since there isn't a sub-forum for lawn mowers I figured I'd post this here.

I snatched up a CL find last night. I found a Woods Mow'n Machine 1850, I believe it is basically the same as a Grasshopper 1822. I haven't figured out the manufacture date but I'm guessing 1990 or so. It had a Briggs I/C 18hp engine until it threw a rod. The PO took the engine off and disassembled it... and kept the electric PTO clutch.

Anyway, I have an 18hp Kohler Command sitting in the floor that I hope I can make work. If I can’t find a cheap electric clutch I will have to fabricate a mechanical belt engagement system. The thing is in really good shape and if I can manage to repower it, it should make for a great little mower. The deck is a 52" and is solid.

I will update this thread with the repower progress.

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Posted February 25, 2014 - 04:17 PM

We got a Grasshopper 721D 61" to use at church last year, I love that thing compared to the Big ole Ferris IS5000 72" we had. The Ferris could cut the field at 14mph, but was very unstable in hills and around the pond, made for a lot of pucker factor grass cutting. These are very stable mowers, we can almost drive down into pond, the back out. Might not cut as fast, but due to being more stable, it actually takes about the same time since you can cut around things and manuver better. If I ever need to buy Zero turn, I will be looking for one similar.

Only drawback I have found are the rear wheels hang out the back, sometimes hit stuff, but nothing is perfect, just have to pay attn.



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Posted February 25, 2014 - 05:04 PM

Only drawback I have found are the rear wheels hang out the back, sometimes hit stuff, but nothing is perfect, just have to pay attn.

at the same time the deck hangs out in front and makes it easier to mow up under bushes and such... everything has it's +'s and -'s. I just hope I can get the thing going! I've seen leaf blowers that you can mount where the deck is and runs off of the same drive shaft. One thing I'm not big on is the fact that there is NO deck lift... it ALWAYS rides on it's caster wheels.



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Posted February 25, 2014 - 08:01 PM

I've always heard good things about the Mow-n Machine.  I never heard why Woods quit, though.

 

I can get you a copy of the original clutch if the crankshaft setup on your Kohler is the same as the old Briggs.  Woods part number was 73559. 

 

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Posted February 25, 2014 - 10:31 PM

Thanks Ben. That is the next question... what does the original clutch look like, ie: what is the bolt pattern?

 

Here is the engine I will be using. You can see the pulleys from the Cub's vacuum actuated mechanical engagement. If an electric clutch won't work out I will fab a cable system to engage belts. That is if they are the right diameter.

 

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Posted February 25, 2014 - 10:52 PM

If all else fails you could use a centrifugal clutch that engages at 2200 rpm.



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Posted February 26, 2014 - 09:57 AM

Yea, it is great for getting up under bushes and trees. We have a small JD LT at church we used to use for trimming around trees, up near building. Now it only gets used to pull our little yard trailer, the GH just about can do it all for us, regualr mowing, trimmming, trees, and even bush hogging our field and around the pond. The ags help alot too for traction.

Our deck has the manual lift too, not a big issue though, sucks trying to get to blades. I pull in the garage and use my come along to lift deck up so I can remove blades. Front tires are foam filled too so no worries about flats.

Go onto the GH website, they have a great amount of front attachments, they would probably fit the
Woods. Having the tires hang out the back and being a true front mount deck, you can remove deck and still have a tractor unlike most mid mount zeros. There was a snow blade for sale up here, if it wasn't so much, we would've bought for our church tractor.

 

I could get you pictures of our GH, but it has a 21 Hp Kubota 3 cyl, doubt it will help ya



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Posted February 26, 2014 - 12:12 PM

The engine mounting will be pretty straight forward but what I need to know is the electric clutch pulley diameter... Not sure if they are the same but it can't hurt.



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Posted March 03, 2014 - 08:59 PM

Stopped by church this evening and snapped a couple pics. It is a 2004 GH diesel, but maybe something you can work with.

Electric clutch with double belt pulley down to deck drivshaft pulley. Looks to have a spring loaded idler to keep belts tight. You could probably come up with something to make it a mechanically engagement.

 

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Posted March 04, 2014 - 09:44 AM

Sweet, thanks! Yeah, that is my though, basically turn the spring idler into a mechanical engagement via a pull cable.

 

Really, I like a mechanical engagement better anyway, it's easier on the equipment and less drag on the electrical system. If there is room it would be nice to use the same style as the engine used originally. Check out the Cub 3000 series pto engagement.

 

If you get a chance, can you measure both the shaft pulley and the clutch? I don't need an exact measurement as much as I need the ratio... I want to make sure I'm turning my deck at the right speed.



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Posted March 04, 2014 - 10:10 AM

I'll try to remember. I just happened to be driving by church last night and whipped in. Maybe a couple days beforeI get back up there.

You want the all the pulleys cross width measurement?  Definitely be guessing at the clutch one since I can't get tape mesure across face of pulley.

 

I can say, when that clutch kicks in, man it puts an instant pull on that motor. I've started engaging at lower rpms, seems to be less jerk and squeal on the belts. I would rather have mechanical too for easier engagement, you could feel it better like slipping a clutch in a car.


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Posted March 08, 2014 - 06:03 PM

Bobby,

 

Dimensions are outside lips of pulleys.double 1/2" belts. 

 

Engine pulley approx 4 1/2" 

Driveshaft pulley  5" 



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Posted March 08, 2014 - 09:44 PM

Thanks Tahoe. On mine the driveshaft pulley is 5" and the Kohler out of the cub has a 4" pulley... so factory would have had a driven pulley speed (engine at 3600rpm) 3240rpm. If I use the 4" engine pulley the deck shaft will only turn 2880. That is a considerable difference.

 

I pulled the mower in tonight and set the engine in to see how it fits. It looks like the engine will need to be lifted between 1/2" and 1". I also found that the deck shaft pulley is broken, so I'm going to have to look into a replacement.

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Posted March 09, 2014 - 04:30 PM

I was just thinking, not sure what WOT rpm is for that diesel runs at, maybe different than your gas motor. I'm no diesel expert so no idea what the rop rpm would run at. I can stop at church again and see if specs are listed in the manual. 



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Posted March 09, 2014 - 06:23 PM

The Kubota in the 721D is set to 3600 rpm max.






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