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#1 New.Canadian.DB.Owner OFFLINE  

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Posted February 09, 2014 - 09:45 PM

Does the Waterloo model 30 actually exist?  That is the question that is keeping me up at night lately.  I own a 15, a 20 & a 40.  There is a rumour / myth that there was also a model 30, but I can't find even a photo of a confirmed model 30.  Does anyone here own one?  Does anyone have a flyer or advertisement showing one?  Help me sleep tonight!


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Posted February 09, 2014 - 10:23 PM

apparently there is one according to these guys, no pics though

 

http://www.yesterday...i?bd=mm&th=5567

 

 

or the middle tractor from the brochure on this page

 

http://gardentractor...erloo-tractors/


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Posted February 10, 2014 - 08:07 AM

That just adds fuel to the fire.  The fellow in the first link says his tractor was built in 1951, but Waterloo introduced the 40 in 1949.  Thats when Wisconsin dropped the AB (3 hp) and introduced the ABN (4 hp).  The 30 line, if it existed, would have died in 1949.

 

The second link is for Supremacy tractors.  The ad has been mislabeled sometime in history and it has become part of the folklore around the 30.  

 

I'm still hoping someone has a picture.



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Posted February 11, 2014 - 10:52 AM

The original poster on Yesterday's tractor claimed he found an engine with Waterloo 30 on the gas tank but no picture so it obviously did exist. Wasn't Supremacy just the name that Simpsons sold the Waterloo under? The 3 HP one there has a Briggs engine that would be early 50's. Probably a model 9.


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Posted February 11, 2014 - 06:17 PM

I agree that he says he found an engine that said "Waterloo 30" on it, but how often do we see a logo that is faded, damaged, etc & and try to guess at what it actually says?

 

If you look at the blow ups of that ad, you can see that they are all flat-bar handles.  Waterloos have round handles.  Also, the drive engaging lever on the 3 & 4.5 hp models are on the wrong side.  The 2 hp tractor does not have the X brace between the handlebars.  

 

Model 15 30 45.jpg Model 15 No2.jpg Model 30 No2.jpg Model 45 No3.jpg


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Posted February 11, 2014 - 11:37 PM

what about this page 

http://www.simplicit...com/page-8.html


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Posted February 12, 2014 - 06:06 PM

 

Again, it adds to the myth, but that is not a Waterloo tractor.  If you look at the middle photo, the one that should be the 30, it has no X brace, the drive engagement handle is on the wrong side, and the front of the frame below the engine is open, like a Simplicity.  

 

water3.jpg

 

 

It looks more like a Montgomery Ward

 

IM000749.JPG IM000750.JPG

 

Don't get me wrong, I really do appreciate the help.



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Posted February 12, 2014 - 06:24 PM

could you give us some pictures of a waterloo so we could have a reference 



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Posted February 12, 2014 - 09:25 PM

Sure.  Some of these have the wrong engines, but the frame is what is important.

 

$_20.JPG $_20-2JPG.JPG $T2eC16N,!y0FI,uZrd1LBS(0VjyfyQ~~48_20.JPG 20 with bolens sulky 1 bigger cropped.jpg confirmed 20 2013-09-08 15.47.11.jpg dscf0001vx.jpg model 20 left side.jpg model 20 right side.jpg IMG_1507 - Copy.JPG IMG_1508.JPG IMG_1516.JPG Model 40 pic 1 - Copy.JPG

 



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Posted February 28, 2014 - 09:29 PM

Well, it looks like jtrojek has hit the mother load and found a definitive answer: yes it existed. And, no it did not have the X bracing between the tube handlebars.

http://www.oldironga...turing-company/

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Posted March 01, 2014 - 09:59 AM

Amazing brochure. Certainly looks a lot like a Simplicity tractor mounted on 16" wheels. The attachment also seem to be very similar to what Simp made for models and some of the Wards units. That picture of the reel mower and sulky make you want to get right out and buy one. I also notice the waterloo boy tractor looks exactly like a peppy-pal, that I believe Shaw made. Be interesting to know if there was a joint factory connection or if someone was just copying the other.  I think there was a lot of guy jumping around from factory to factory back. Even the Pond brothers worked for Shaw, long before there were Wheel Horses and Speedx tractors.

 

Look forwards to you being able to complete a whole line of the power units, with some attachments. Should make for an awesome display.


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Posted March 01, 2014 - 10:33 AM

Jeff, The Waterloo Boy is like the Planet Jr Tuffy, not the Shaw Peppy-Pal. Some pictures show cross bracing in the handles and others are shown with no cross bracing even though they appear to be the same model. As close as these are to the Simplicity line I wouldn't be surprised if some of the parts are the same. Simplicity parts would be a lot easier to find than Waterloo stuff.


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Posted March 01, 2014 - 11:31 AM

Thanks, I got the wrong name, even though I was thinking of the Planet tractor.



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Posted March 01, 2014 - 12:34 PM

Can you tell the model year for the Tuffy?  Might help us identify the year Waterloo started selling them and introduced the reverse feature on the 40.







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