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#61 boyscout862 ONLINE  

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Posted January 30, 2014 - 01:47 PM

USE THE MOTHER EARTH NEWS design. the others all back siphon and lose alot of heat at night if you don't close them off. If you have trees shading your building then you can't do anything unless the trees are removed. I dug my house into the south facing side of a hill. I cleared 80' to the south. Now the trees have grown taller so this summer I will have to take down a bunch more trees(firewood). Remember to KISS and spend most of your time planning and testing before you build. Good Luck, Rick
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Posted January 30, 2014 - 02:13 PM

Based on the literature the main difference between the two is that MEN's design has the cold air in and hot out out both at the top end of the collector. Almost like a double pass radiator. Or am I mistaken?

 

Boyscout, do you have any pictures of your setup?


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Posted January 30, 2014 - 02:42 PM

I want to thank you both for the links....I will NOT be getting anything done in my bathroom  :wallbanging: due to a newly sparked interest in researching solar! :D  :thumbs:


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Posted January 30, 2014 - 04:54 PM

Based on the literature the main difference between the two is that MEN's design has the cold air in and hot out out both at the top end of the collector. Almost like a double pass radiator. Or am I mistaken?

 

Boyscout, do you have any pictures of your setup?

Yes but that means that the MEN design won't back flow at night or on cold days. Tomorrow I will try to take some pictures. Again, mine is all built in, the house is the collector. It is deceptively simple. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted January 30, 2014 - 04:56 PM

I want to thank you both for the links....I will NOT be getting anything done in my bathroom  :wallbanging: due to a newly sparked interest in researching solar! :D  :thumbs:

Get the bathroom done and keep the BOSS happy. Spend sometime researching and understanding. The more patient you are the more that you can scrounge materials and build your project for less money. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 09:16 AM

Get the bathroom done and keep the BOSS happy. Spend sometime researching and understanding. The more patient you are the more that you can scrounge materials and build your project for less money. Good Luck, Rick

 

Yep, you understand :thumbs:

Pics of your set up would be cool. I have some old single glass sotrm windows without the frame, I would like to learn and start small and then see how wel that goes.

I am really interested in a small solar panel to charge a 12 V battery and use a small RV pump to water my animals out of the shallow well behind the barn.

 

Worked on bathroom last night, starting on running all my electric and plumbing. Hope to get my electric done in the next couple days, then on to the complete plumbing redo..... got all my PEX pipe, fittings, and crimpers :rocker2:


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 09:49 AM

This short clip gives a good introduction to the "heat grabber" that MEN showed 35+ years ago. This is the type that I hope to build this year after other home improvement projects are done. This site has a variety of explanations http://energy.nmsu.edu/

For electricity you cannot count on wind or solar but wind and solar will cover you pretty good. Used to be able to make a wind generator from a car alternator and a bicycle parts. Good Luck, Rick

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Posted January 31, 2014 - 03:08 PM

Pic of the south side of my house. The house is oriented to face true south. The sun comes in through the glass, heats the floors and when the sun goes down the heat comes out of the floors. This is the way to build it from scratch. An existing building will need collectors( greenhouse or panels). Good Luck, Rick

 

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Sorry that it came out dark. It is overcast today.


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 03:11 PM

Isn't that mybigwarwagons back yard?


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 04:21 PM

Here is the south side of my future home. Those heat grabbers would probably work well on those 2nd story windows and sit on roof. The upstairs could use a little help in the heat dept, those old wood windows are super drafty.

 

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Posted January 31, 2014 - 05:54 PM

Isn't that mybigwarwagons back yard?

I've got more cold steel. Even with it cloudy most of the day, the house warmed from 63* to  67*. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted February 01, 2014 - 01:15 AM

This is a great thread---- I've always been interested in getting off the grid, and passive solar is about as simple as it gets. Our house faces south with a long overhang that blocks the sun in summer making it cooler inside, and in winter when the sun is much lower, the heat comes in the big windows and warms the house. I can sit on the deck in shirtsleeves when it's -30 and be comfortable.

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Posted February 07, 2014 - 11:40 PM

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Hope I can ride this winter out.


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Posted February 08, 2014 - 01:19 AM

I went back to burning corn again a few weeks ago. I'm not interested in playing the goofy price game or the fake shortage during the peak season ploy. At the current price of lp, I can burn corn until its price is nearly $20 bu, before the there even. Don't see corn ever getting that high, so i'll jst keep my last 350 gl of lp in the tank.


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Posted February 08, 2014 - 04:19 AM

It's almost $4 a gallon delivered here. Hope I don't have to get any more. 200 Gal. minimum would be $800.


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