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[glgrumpy]

Have Speedex with 16hp Briggs cast iron engine. This is a mounted starter, not the gen/start.  This one is a bigger starter that was hard to find when I got tractor w/out it. Finally found one, was $98, not too cheap, but was new. Today went out to start and made big clunk and flying sparks. What the????

See starter laying by engine. Both the mount feet off the aluminum front plate just broke right off the starter!  Now there is supposed to be a strap that goes around the motor to block, which was discontinued from Briggs and I've never been able to find one used. I figured not that important. SO, am I FOS on the importance of that strap?  Guess I should have tried to make one like at first, but didn't. Now probly have to buy another expensive starter to start with. This was a genuine B and S replacement, one on there boxes and even came with the shrould bump-out for it. This is not the more common two bolt mounting ones like are usually offered on epay.  Just kinda frustrating.  Guess tractor is down for the winter, good thing I have others to plow snow with, but it has issues too, check it out in Wheelhorse forum.  Man, why do I mess with this old junk???  Too old for this anymore!

[dthomp17]

Never had anything like that happen and hope I don't. Good luck.

[KC9KAS]

Are you sure the starter was turning the fly-wheel in the correct direction?

Maybe wrong rotation caused a backfire type effect and caused the starter to break off.

 

Just guessing.......

[glgrumpy]

I've run this lots of times and is fine. It DOES kick a little at times when starting cold.........didn't seem that hard ever. I still think if was the missing strap link over the body that allowed it to flex too much.  Even tho Band S brand, still think was made in China too. Most of the other starters for Briggs have a steel foot mount, this one was aluminum. Not all that thick either. Who Knows?  I can get a rope on the flywheel pulley easy, was just remembering that. Starts easy, think I'll try the rope. Has magneto for spark, so don't need batt anyway. Just now have to figure out how to get down in there and fish starter out. It is between the engine and the dash, with lots of room in there, just the access is limited go get there. Might have to pull gas tank off for a moment to get into it.

[MH81]

Good luck grumpy. Sounds like a "when it rains, it pours"

[boyscout862]

You may be able to get a replacement plate with mounts for the starter. Before reinstalling it, check the flywheel key. Good Luck, Rick

[crittersf1]

Strap would have prevented this horror. Know anybody that TIG welds?

[glgrumpy]

Update: Over winter found another starter, much cheaper than first one I got, but was exact same one I think. Anyway, had my welder shop make me some new straps for around starter. Bolted it all in and works great again. Almost seems like it sounds quieter and smoother than that broken one did. I'm happy so far. We'll see if  it holds up now.

[MH81]

Good to hear its back in action.
GL, I've never see what you were talking about, did you happen to snap a pic of that style starter?

[glgrumpy]

MH 81, kinda old post, but just took pix today of starter. So, have a brand new starter and drive, but can't use, the front feet are broken off. Doubt if welding will hold. Is a Chinese made one and odd metal on that.  You can't see it in the Speedex, but I took pix of my MTD, with same set-up. This is the strap that I copied. Note the air shroud has a bump-out on it for the starter. When I bought first new starter, that was even in the kit with it. I needed that on the Speedex. There was also a spacer tin behind the starter, right where strap goes and it takes up space between starter and block. That is not on this older MTD set-up. Maybe that is supposed to keep starter from moving also??

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[MH81]

I wonder if you can't get another end plate from an old starter to fit on there.
Thanks for the pics, they explain a lot.

[LilysDad]

It looks like the new starter's end plate would be easy to make.

[glgrumpy]

Problem when hunting for this starter is that it is an odd one. Most B and S ones have two bolts, yet much closer together and the blocks are diff even where they bolt on. Was harder to find this kind, and more money because of that I suppose. Even Briggs guys at shows didn't have them, yet had lots of the other two bolt ones. Would be hard to find a used one for the end plate, I would bet.

[speedbird]

I have a  1632 with a 16 hp B&S. Would it have the same starter?

[glgrumpy]

Hey Bird, how about a picture of that tractor? I'm not real familiar with that model.  Would that mean it is 16hp, 3spd trans and 2 speed rear then with that number? OR hydro? Not sure what starter you would have, but mount bolt spacing is wider on this one in posting here. I have since sold tractor. Most had Start/gens on them, this must be a later model I had with the direct drive starter gear?