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Posted December 04, 2013 - 08:37 PM

Design flaw possibly? How do you put the arms on the implement with the lift bar bolted in there? No ability to move them in and out.
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Also, no way to adjust the lift arm levels....I use the adjustment alot with my back blade.


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Posted December 04, 2013 - 08:56 PM

It could be built like the Massey or Bush Hog 3pt where the cylinder is mounted to the tractor at the bottom and pushes the top links up that are connected to the lower arms.

 

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Posted December 04, 2013 - 09:02 PM

HF electric winch instead of the cylinder. Cheaper than an actuator too.


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Posted December 04, 2013 - 09:06 PM

I thought about a winch, but he wanted down pressure.



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Posted December 04, 2013 - 10:09 PM

Design flaw possibly? How do you put the arms on the implement with the lift bar bolted in there? No ability to move them in and out.
 

 

I was thinking the same thing when I saw that.

 

It would be better if that was two offset pieces with slots in the bars and a bolt, so you could move the arms in and out. 

 

An other option would be a 'quick hitch' setup on the lift arms like I have of one of my tractors:

 

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Even with that, ALL of your 3-pt implements would have to have the same spacing at the lift pins, and that isn't always the case as there is an excepted range for that.

 

 

Also, no way to adjust the lift arm levels....I use the adjustment alot with my back blade.

 

 

Yeah, that would limit the usefulness of the 3-pt for sure.


Edited by OldBuzzard, December 04, 2013 - 10:13 PM.


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Posted December 05, 2013 - 12:10 AM

Another interesting thing about the photo on the website is that with the cylinder mounted the way it is there would be no lift pressure. :(  Lots of down pressure though.

I think the cylinder was mounted upside down. 


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Posted December 05, 2013 - 02:10 AM

I think looks like that because they don't have the other hose fitted.

 

It's clearly a double action cylinder.


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Posted December 05, 2013 - 08:22 AM

I think looks like that because they don't have the other hose fitted.

 

It's clearly a double action cylinder.

Even with both hoses installed the lift is when the cylinder retracts. Given the even smaller area on retract due to the shaft it would take a lot of pressure to get much lift with that setup. It may be designed to work with an external pump and valve which would typically give more pressure than a hydro would. Since it is meant for ATV use a 1000 lb actuator may be what is normally used to do the lifting.



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Posted December 05, 2013 - 09:25 AM

Old Buzzard, you thought of the same thing I did, make the piece that holds the two lift arms together where a pin can be removed so the arms could be moved side to side.

It didn't really register in my mind until this morning looking at the picture that they were held together static and unable to move side to side.

 

Also, how does that quickhitch work?? My son-in-law was talking about one of those lastnight.

 

Texas Deere and Horse, I really like the way the Massey setup is made, only thing I can think of with the Allis would maybe use a Rockshaft on the back to attach the two upper arms to the lift arms???


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Posted December 05, 2013 - 09:30 AM

The first 4 pictures are of the back of my Allis 716H.

 

The last picture is of the back of a TroyBuilt mower that is sitting out back but it looks to be the same or very similar to my wifes Huskee Supreme Lawn Mower.

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Posted December 05, 2013 - 09:59 AM

One like the M/F style could be built to mount to the brackets that are already on the A/C. You would have to mount brackets on the wife's Lt just like the A/C. The problem then is where to power the cylinder when it's on the Lt?

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Posted December 05, 2013 - 10:59 AM

That is why I think it might be easier to use a electric accuator, that way the hydro parts are taken out of the equation.  Only thing about that is the 1000lb electric acctuators are really pricey, that would start to push the total cost of doing something like this out of my price range.



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Posted December 05, 2013 - 11:12 AM

Texas Deere and horse, do you know of any kind of hydro pump that would attach to the front shaft coming out of a K341 16hp Kohler to help drive a seperate hydro setup?

 

If I go to the extreme with this little tractor I would dedicate its use for things that can be run using hydro.

 

Or, do you think that the Allis 716h's hydro pump would be enough to run the 3 point on the back and when needed lift and lower the front dozer blade when attached. The two things would not be used at the same time.

 

I really really need to come up with some way to make a hydro wood splitter.

 

I need to be able to do so many different things but don't know exactly how to go about it and I would have to slowly piece things together as my budget allows.



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Posted December 05, 2013 - 01:04 PM

Even with both hoses installed the lift is when the cylinder retracts. Given the even smaller area on retract due to the shaft it would take a lot of pressure to get much lift with that setup. It may be designed to work with an external pump and valve which would typically give more pressure than a hydro would. Since it is meant for ATV use a 1000 lb actuator may be what is normally used to do the lifting.

 
I'm thinking that the one shown meant for one of the tractors that has the 'sloped' rear end.   Picture that, with the top of the 'mounting plate' tilted forward, and you will see that it brings the lift arms up a lot higher.
 
 

... Also, how does that quickhitch work?? My son-in-law was talking about one of those lastnight. ...


I got them here:
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They don't show the CAT 0, but they will make them.

Not cheap, but I think it's worth it as it makes hooking/unhooking 3-pt implements SO easy.

Here's a couple of vids showing hooking up and unhooking.
 




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Posted December 05, 2013 - 01:53 PM

Yea those are sweet!

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