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#16 bowtiebutler956 OFFLINE  

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Posted November 15, 2013 - 09:28 PM

That's because it's not a hydrostatic transmission. It's a hydraulic drive system.

 

 

 

 Thank you for setting me straight on that. That would explain it. :thumbs:

 

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Posted November 15, 2013 - 09:41 PM

A very different drive system. I haven't had the pleasure of owning one yet, but I always keep an eye peeled for a deal on one. I can't get over how much higher the pressure and flow rate is on the Case/Ingersoll tractors versus anything else.

 

Looking forward to following along with this thread.


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Posted November 16, 2013 - 04:00 AM

Here is a general diagram of the hydraulic system or as CASE called it the "hydriv" system. Yours would have the additional lift circuit and oil tank in the dash tower... but this shows very clearly how the drive system works.

Still the same basic concept on current production Ingersoll's.

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Posted November 16, 2013 - 04:06 AM

Here is a more modern example with more of the options shown.

 

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Posted November 16, 2013 - 04:07 AM

It sounds like your on the right track. Keep us posted!


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Posted November 16, 2013 - 05:37 AM

Sorry to hear of your friends passing.


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Posted November 16, 2013 - 04:32 PM

 Thanks for the great diagrams Mike!  Gary had told me the reason he had quit using the Case was because of a problem with the PTO clutch, so I took it apart to check it out. It had one bearing that had shelled out, but didn't appear to do any damage to any of the other parts. I will be replacing the bearings in both of the cam plates. I used my letter stamps to stamp both the cam plates, top, bottom, front, back, so that I can't accidentally install them wrong. The clutch plate looks great, and the bearing in the belt pulley is still smooth as butter. I also zip tied the shim packs together, so that I get them back in properly. My local bearing supply has the bearings in stock, so I'll get them picked up soon. Here are a couple pics. Thanks

 

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Posted November 16, 2013 - 08:32 PM

 I got the new bearings installed, and got the clutch back on the tractor. The manual said the clearance should be .002-.007. I set it at .005, as any closer, you could hear the clutch dragging slightly. It seems to be working properly, but I'll put the deck back on it tomorrow, and try it out. Thanks

 

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Posted November 16, 2013 - 09:13 PM

Looks pretty good. I usually set the clearance to the minimum .002 because I found (on a new one) they break-in and loosen up some. On a used one like yours I think you did well.  :thumbs:


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Posted November 19, 2013 - 10:47 PM

I just realized that they're still making theses GTs under the Ingersoll name. They don't look like they've changed much either. Here is a link.

http://www.eastmanin...86/Default.aspx

 

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Posted November 20, 2013 - 03:46 AM

I just realized that they're still making theses GTs under the Ingersoll name. They don't look like they've changed much either. Here is a link.

http://www.eastmanin...86/Default.aspx

 

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Yes Matt they still make them. Very few but they are made. Cosmetically they look a lot the same. All steel hood and fenders which I like.  The mechanicals are what have really changed. Better designs on many things and actually heavier than before. Still the same Hydraulic Drive "Hydriv" Overall Design since 1962 just improved upon since then.

Case GT's were originally built in Winneconne, WI just 8 miles from me.

In 1961 two brothers from Milwaukee, WI designed a garden tractor that was hydraulic drive and patented the "hydriv" design After starting the Colt Garden Tractor company, they moved to Winneconne, WI in 1963 and continued production until approached by Case in 1965 to buy the company. For two years Case and Colt GT's were built side by side before going over to the Case brand only in 1967. In 1984 Jack Ingersoll bought the company and after a few years it was bought by a Group who ran it into the ground with bad service. They survived bankruptcy a few times through the years and in 2006 Eastman Industries bought them and moved everything to Portland, Maine where they are hanging on by a thread.

Although I've heard good rumors and I like the new distributor CPD Central Power Distributors out of WI. Many obsolete parts are available again and prices have dropped a lot on parts. Belts were approaching $50 each now under $20. Very happy about that!

So that's a short version of the history. I might be off on a few things but that's the general idea of what has all happened since 1962.

I have two neighbors that worked at the factory back in the early 60's and late 70's.


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Posted November 20, 2013 - 08:46 AM

 Thanks for the history lesson Mike, I really appreciate it! I think that's awesome that they are still building these machines. I'm a firm believer in the old motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!  If I had the money, I'd go buy a new one, just to have a brand new Garden Tractor that is still basically the same as the ones from 50 years ago. Do you have any idea what these machines sell for new? I'll bet they are pricey. I'm going down to our local Case dealer today, to see what the Power Red, and white are going to cost me. I checked with Case online, and it was pretty reasonable (less than $20 a qt.), so hopefully my local dealer will be about the same. I'll buy the reducer, and hardener from my local paint supply as I get a discount there. Once again, I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge of these old Case tractors with me Mike. It really helps me get up to speed in a hurry. :thumbs:  

 

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Posted November 20, 2013 - 02:39 PM

Matt a new Ingersoll is in the $7000 area. Depending on options like a car. A 4223 (23hp) with all the goodies, meaning power steering, deck, blower, tiller, 3 point cat. "o", etc. would easily get you into the $9,000 - $11,000 mark. probably more. ouch!


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Posted November 21, 2013 - 05:04 PM

 Well, I got it tore down today. All, and all things look pretty good, although I will need a couple things before I reassemble it. I removed the dash decal, which was being quite difficult, till I decided to try my pressure washer on it. It peeled it off no problem. I've decided the steering wheel is not coming off! I fought with the roll pin for awhile before deciding, I didn't want to risk damaging the steering wheel. I will simply cut the new dash decal at the bottom so I can work it around the steering shaft. The new motor mounts came in, so I'll work on installing them soon. The replacement tank from Joe's outdoors came in as well.

 I got my decal kit from Maple Hunters, and they look really good, but it came with a large 6x3 baby blue Case decal that I don't even think belongs on this machine, and it didn't come with the small Case decal that should go between the headlights. Mike, do you have any ideas on this? If its incorrect, I'll call Maple Hunters, and see if we can get it straightened out.

 I'm starting to feel old. As you can see in the pics, I used my engine hoist to remove the Kohler. I used to just lift them off, but I went to try and lift this engine, and my back said NO. :ah_shoot: Oh well, I guess I'll have to stick to the "brains over brawn" method. 

Thanks

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Posted November 22, 2013 - 03:04 AM

They send decals like that. It's just an extra you can put on your truck or wherever you like.

 

Something Maple Hunter needs to address and change is the dash decal. They need to remove all the yellow from the decal. It should be white. I used a NOS dash decal on my 446 and it was all white no yellow. The 1985's had the yellow print.

Not sure why they did that???






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