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Posted September 01, 2013 - 02:53 PM

I suppose that would be a 1600336? No data available on that mfg number.


That's correct Phil. The last T-16S model built by A-C.

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 07:26 PM

Greg, what other AC-built models were there in a large frame?  I'm not up to speed on my SC models...there aren't many around up here.  Maybe the monthly 3/400 series and an annual T-16H.  Is this one #32 of the 336 model?  I can't say I've seen another for sale...only a couple when digging thorugh the archives on Simpletractors.



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Posted September 02, 2013 - 11:02 PM

Beautiful tractor. Thanks for sharing the pics and telling the story.

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 11:34 PM

Josh, the A-C built large frame Homelite tractors were the T-10, T-12, T-15. T-16S and T-16H. I'm uncertain as to how many different ID numbers (mfg numbers) were used for all the models because of the changes that were made in the models. I do know there were two ID numbers for the T-16S though. Finding all the ID numbers is a work in progress since Allis and Simplicity weren't the best at record keeping. Through searching, I've discovered several more ID numbers for the tractors than were published in this chart:

 

http://www.simpletra...e/H_S_(pg1).htm

 

I can't say with absolute certainty, but it seems like a good bet that you have the 32nd one of the #1600336. I seriously doubt that over a thousand of them were built.



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Posted September 04, 2013 - 08:01 PM

So, the more conventional looking front axle was a late model. When did it change?

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Posted September 05, 2013 - 02:37 AM

So, the more conventional looking front axle was a late model. When did it change?


Phil, I believe it was sometime in the third quarter of 1973.

Josh, would you mind posting the model, type and code from the engine in your T-16S? It would help in dating the tractor if it's the original engine. TIA

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Posted September 05, 2013 - 06:57 AM

Sept 14 of '72. She turns 41 this month!

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So, the engine looks to be about a year older than the tractor, based on the estimate? Think AC sat on that much Briggs inventory? I can't imagine it has been repowered, but I suppose anything is possible.

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Posted September 05, 2013 - 03:35 PM

Don't know that A-C sat on that much inventory. Could very well be that they weren't rotating their stock when they got new engines in. 

 

I found this in posts on two Homelite T-16H tractors while I was searching today:

 

#1600285 tractor with serial #01692 had a Briggs 326431 0133-01 730226

 

#1600285 tractor with serial #01712 had a Briggs 326431 0133-01 7208161

 

Both of the above tractors are older than yours. We know that by the model numbers. Notice that they were only twenty tractors apart on the assembly line, yet the newer tractor got an engine that was a little over six months older than the other.

 

I guess this shows we can't necessarily date the tractors by the date the engine was built after all.



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Posted September 09, 2013 - 10:09 AM

Very interesting Greg! So, do you have data that you are compiling, and on what machines?

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Posted September 10, 2013 - 11:13 AM

Very interesting Greg! So, do you have data that you are compiling, and on what machines?

 

I'm trying to put together a listing of all the tractors, attachments and accessories with 1600xxx Allis-Chalmers ID numbers.



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Posted September 10, 2013 - 12:27 PM

I see....I'm pretty unfamiliar with the AC mfg #'s.  I'll have to review the cross reference to see what I may have that falls into the 1600xxx product line.  It wouldn't be much.  Are those the products made in SC?  I think the only SC machines I've had are the B207, T16S, and Scamp.  I see more of them than I own/owned, but can grab #'s in my travels if that will help.



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Posted September 10, 2013 - 04:02 PM

That is the same 48" deck as used on the Allis 416.  The deck shell is also identical to the deck shell used on Massey 14's & 16's.  Just the bolt on hardware is different.  

  VERY nice condition on everything!  It gets Phil all tingly talking about shuttles!  :rolling:



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Posted September 11, 2013 - 11:19 AM

That is the same 48" deck as used on the Allis 416.  The deck shell is also identical to the deck shell used on Massey 14's & 16's.  Just the bolt on hardware is different.  

  VERY nice condition on everything!  It gets Phil all tingly talking about shuttles!  :rolling:

oh that they could all be shuttles


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Posted September 11, 2013 - 12:45 PM

I see....I'm pretty unfamiliar with the AC mfg #'s.  I'll have to review the cross reference to see what I may have that falls into the 1600xxx product line.  It wouldn't be much.  Are those the products made in SC?  I think the only SC machines I've had are the B207, T16S, and Scamp.  I see more of them than I own/owned, but can grab #'s in my travels if that will help.

 

 The 1600xxx ID numbers were started at the SC plant, from what I can tell. The first of the tractors with these ID numbers was the B-207, but the identifying last three digits were not used on the model/serial number tag at that time. It looks like the identifying last three digits of the ID number were not included in the serial number on tractors and attachments until the start of the 1971 model year. That was probably mid to late 1970.

 

I would appreciate all the help with this that I can get. Numbers from the tags and tractor/attachment description would be great. Good pics of the tags are even better. Thanks



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Posted September 18, 2013 - 08:02 PM

nice machine Josh. and in great condition too.

 

to bad i didnt have internet a few weeks ago. i would have seen it and we might have been bidding against each other.

you should let me know your user name there so that never happens.






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