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#1 NeedMoreStuf OFFLINE  

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Posted August 13, 2013 - 02:52 PM

I know its Panzer butDSCN2098.JPG DSCN2099.JPG DSCN2100.JPG Im wondering if this is a Copar Panzer frame that would have been the first "small" Panzer. If so is there a way to tell which model? It does have the early aluminum handle.



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Posted August 14, 2013 - 06:46 AM

Looks like a good start for restoration.

 

Where in Mo are you?


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Posted August 14, 2013 - 07:53 AM

The earlier small Panzers had the mounting plate for the PTO drive as a single piece with the engine mounting plate.  Later ones were a separate plate welded to the frame like yours.

If the handle is original to the frame, it would make it a T-65.

 

http://www.panzertra...zerHistory.html

 

 


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Posted August 14, 2013 - 08:11 AM

Looks like a good start for restoration.

 

Where in Mo are you?

We're in Excelsior Springs.



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Posted August 14, 2013 - 08:14 AM

The diff spins freely and I couldnt see any rust throughs, what might this be worth?



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Posted August 14, 2013 - 08:40 AM

The diff spins freely and I couldnt see any rust throughs, what might this be worth?

Maybe $100 to the right buyer?


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Posted August 14, 2013 - 08:41 AM

I just looked through some Panzer pictures from local shows and I think I might have stumbled on an ID tip I haven't read anywhere.  All the T-70 and T-75 models I have pictures of have the grills mounted directly to the flat plate spanning the front tubes.  T-65 and back use the small riser plate like on the front of yours.  I also noticed the earlier ones use the small round pad on the brake rods while the T-75 uses a larger square pedal.

 

That tends to keep my guess at yours as a T-65.

 

Is looking at a sampling of tractors at shows definitive?  Obviously not, but we do see a lot of Panzers in this area and I take pics of darn near all of them. :smilewink:

Take it for what it's worth.

 

As far as value goes, I don't even guess at these anymore.  I've never seen a brand that has prices as all over the place as Panzers.  I've seen frames that I thought weren't worth $50 sell for a couple hundred while the nicest original survivor of any brand that I ever saw (with all original sales literature and three or four original Panzer attachments) only brought around $500 with a sale heavily advertised to GT collectors.  Impossible to guess.


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Posted August 14, 2013 - 09:37 AM

Wish you were closer. I have a T-65 and the frame is has a couple of pretty rusted areas in it. Would love to find a good frame at the right price. Hopefully someone will come along and buy it if you want to sell it. I would probably pay around $75 for one-maybe $100 but that would be tops for me.


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