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#1 OkieGt OFFLINE  

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:00 PM

Can anyone help me on removing the play in the front axle of my Allis 416. it seems to fit well on the axle, just not in the races of the frame. video below, Thanks, Mike

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:09 PM

I'm not an expert on Allis, but I would say, if it is loose in the frame you will have to bore out an rebush it.


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:17 PM

There are bushings in front & rear, part #1608341  Available at Jacks' Small Engines, and other places also of course.  Expensive, but will tighten things up.  With the dimensions, you may have a buddy that can turn you some in a lathe from brass or bronze.

 

 

Part Number Description Supercedes - Whats This? Price Order Here
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PN# 1608341SM 

More Info BEARING 1.265IDX1.505 PN#: 1608341 
has been superceded
to PN# 1608341SM     
Our Price: $17.95
Qty:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20   

 

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:36 PM

 

There are bushings in front & rear, part #1608341  Available at Jacks' Small Engines, and other places also of course.  Expensive, but will tighten things up.  With the dimensions, you may have a buddy that can turn you some in a lathe from brass or bronze.

 

 

Part Number Description Supercedes - Whats This? Price Order Here
Simplicity
PN# 1608341SM 

More Info BEARING 1.265IDX1.505 PN#: 1608341 
has been superceded
to PN# 1608341SM     
Our Price: $17.95
Qty:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20   

 

 

Am I to under stand they are 17.95 EACH, plus shipping! WOW. could they be the same size as the wheel bearing races?


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:38 PM

I'm not an expert on Allis, but I would say, if it is loose in the frame you will have to bore out an rebush it.

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:41 PM

Am I to under stand they are 17.95 EACH, plus shipping! WOW. could they be the same size as the wheel bearing races?

 

These are bushing type, likely sintered bronze.  Yes, $18 EACH!  Ouch!


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 07:11 PM

These are bushing type, likely sintered bronze.  Yes, $18 EACH!  Ouch!

How would you recommend I remove the bushing from inside the tractor frame , large socket and hammer?


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 07:17 PM

I'd use a hacksaw blade to cut a slice through one side of the bushing down to the steel.  Then it'll knock out easily, with socket, or just catch the edge with a chisel.


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 07:25 PM

I'd use a hacksaw blade to cut a slice through one side of the bushing down to the steel.  Then it'll knock out easily, with socket, or just catch the edge with a chisel.

Thanks, Dan, I just tried to use a socket to punch it out, but its worn so thin I cant get any of it, chisel or hacksaw it is. I'll probably buy the ones from Jack and save my self some trouble, I had enough trouble finding a machine shop within a hundred miles that had a reamer


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 07:28 PM

Thanks, Dan, I just tried to use a socket to punch it out, but its worn so thin I cant get any of it, chisel or hacksaw it is. I'll probably buy the ones from Jack and save my self some trouble, I had enough trouble finding a machine shop within a hundred miles that had a reamer

 

When I refreshed my 416, these bushings were completely gone, so it saved me the trouble of removing the remains.  Luckily the pin hadn't worn into the steel hardly at all.


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 07:50 PM

The hacksaw blade trick works well. Much easier and less likely to damage things than the brute force method. I've used it successfully several times on the 317 restoration. 


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 08:39 PM

When I refreshed my 416, these bushings were completely gone, so it saved me the trouble of removing the remains.  Luckily the pin hadn't worn into the steel hardly at all.

I tried the hacksaw trick, I didn't even scratch the metal, I decide to check the measurement, it mics to1.470, could be bigger, I cant see to hold it in the right place. there is a slight ridge/lip inside the hole, now I'm wondering if my axle bearings are gone as well. How can I tell?


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 09:06 PM

I had to rebuild my axle on my 917H but neighbour had a machine shop so we done it all and saved $$$$

 

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 09:24 PM

I had to rebuild my axle on my 917H but neighbour had a machine shop so we done it all and saved $$$$

 

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917 axle is different from the 416, even different from the 300 series, and the 700 series. The 3400 series may be the closest






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