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#1 Utah Smitty OFFLINE  

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 12:48 PM

Well, I finally got the Kohler M18 engine in my JD317 to start and run without any help. The first time I put it on it wouldn't run...

 

I pulled the carb off and cleaned it out... but, not being familiar with Walbro carbs, I didn't realize that there was a port from the adjustable mainjet to the center tube of the carb.  So, when I reinstalled it, there was no joy.

 

I pulled it again, cleaned out the port for the mainjet to the carb bowl and also the little slit between it and the center tube--put it back in, and Voila!! she runs.

 

Now on the the second problem--the slowly dripping oil from the front of the engine.  Something told me to check the filter--I did, and it was loose on the threads, I snugged it up and all was good.

 

That was the good news...now for the bad news.

 

I pulled the cylinder shrouds off so could clean out the fins, and noticed several black lumps stuck between the fins... at first I thought it was greasy clumps of dirt. When I removed them, I found they were magnetic...hmmm...

 

I looked at the flywheel on the left hand side, and noticed that the part of the stator I could see had been damaged...

 

That's the bad news.

 

So, the question is...

 

What does it take to repair this? 

 

I'm sure I'll need a new stator, but can you put magnets back on the flywheel, or do I have to get another one, AND, more importantly, about how much is this going to cost me???

 

Advice gratefully accepted...

 

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 01:44 PM

The owners manual is downloadable from Kohler  -->  http://www.kohlereng...f/52_590_02.pdf

 

Service manual is here  --> http://www.kohlereng...f/tp_2204_b.pdf

 

Page 78 and 79 talk about the stator.  I have heard of people reinstalling the magnets in the fly wheel but I forget with what.  JB Weld comes to mind but I am not positive on that.

 

HOpefully this will get you going forward on the 317. :thumbs:


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 02:13 PM

If you can see the damaged area it would help us if you could take a picture of it and post it so we would know exactly what you are talking about. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

 

 

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 03:32 PM

I believe those magnets are long wide parts, so they must be busted up badly.  You will need another flywheel.  M18/M20, MV18/MV20, any of these flywheels will fit, maybe even from other engine models.


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 03:34 PM

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3a819fbab0


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 03:34 PM

I'll go look, as I used to have one off an MV20.  That was a long time ago, so it may be gone now.


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 04:12 PM

Thanks, Daniel.  I think I'll need a new stator as well... I'll have to look at that... it may just be cheaper to find a good used engine.

 

 

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 04:15 PM

If you can see the damaged area it would help us if you could take a picture of it and post it so we would know exactly what you are talking about. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

 

 

Dick

The engine is still in the tractor.  I could just see a small portion of the backside of the flywheel at the top--I don't think I can get a decent picture of the area. 

 

I'm still "exploring my options"  I know where another Kohler M18 is for about $300... it may be simpler just to install it.

 

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 04:15 PM

I think the official line from Kohler is that you should not replace the magnets but buy a new flywheel. I'm not sure where you would get the magnets alone. 


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 04:26 PM

I just went to the shed & looked, and I must have done something with that MV20 flywheel, cause it's not there now.  Was hoping I still had it for ya.

  There is actually a complete set of just the magnets on ebay right now, $35 & free shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/...=item41745bd161

 

Stator also $35 with free shipping.

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item4ac5f502de


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 04:48 PM

If 70$ will fix it that's pretty reasonable. You should probably pull the engine and remove the flywheel to make sure the wheel itself isn't damaged.


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 05:01 PM

Including shipping, here is an entire flywheel to your door for $91.

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3a819fbab0


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 05:14 PM

I just went to the shed & looked, and I must have done something with that MV20 flywheel, cause it's not there now.  Was hoping I still had it for ya.

  There is actually a complete set of just the magnets on ebay right now, $35 & free shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/...=item41745bd161

 

Stator also $35 with free shipping.

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item4ac5f502de

 

Thanks, Daniel.

 

I can't view eBay from my work computer, but I'll check it out when I get home.

 

Smitty


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Posted June 24, 2013 - 05:20 PM

I think the official line from Kohler is that you should not replace the magnets but buy a new flywheel. I'm not sure where you would get the magnets alone. 

I'm sure a new flywheel would be a simpler course, but they're about $450. I have found a used one for $100, but need to find a stator as well.

 

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Posted June 24, 2013 - 05:32 PM

Just as a suggestion for the future. Before I take something apart that I'm not familiar with I do a U-tube search about the item and a lot of times I can find a video about servicing it. Has saved me a number of times.  :thumbs:


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