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#1 Trav1s ONLINE  

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Posted June 12, 2013 - 11:13 AM

10 HP single with more torque than a 13-15 HP gas

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item27bcdc0ddd

 

20 HP diesel v twin available in 1" and 1 & 1/8" crank sizes

 1" - http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a2d6ffab0

 

1&1/8" - http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a2d6ffa9a

 

 

I am thinking the 10 HP single might be a good option for a 314...


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 11:34 AM

Is the 314's kohler shot?



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Posted June 12, 2013 - 11:43 AM

There were at least two tractors up at plow day this year with the single cylinder diesels. They ran good and had plenty of power. Was pretty cool seeing them blow some black out when loaded. I would like to do one of the diesels at some point. I think the 10hp would be the easiest fit in place of the Kohler.


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 12:36 PM

10 HP single with more torque than a 13-15 HP gas

 

What's the formula for figuring torque? How does less hp have more torque???



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Posted June 12, 2013 - 12:39 PM

Travis: Take a good look at the Spec's on that 20hp engine. I think you have to convert from metric to inches?

But I think you will find that it is enough Physically bigger than the original engine(I was daydreaming about one in a small Bobcat)  you would have to make extensive modifications to accomodate it. There would be a big WOW Factor in having the 20HP diesel.

But I doubt it would be worth all the extra work?

 

Where the 10 Hp will be much easier to fit in the 314..

I think you will find the 10hp more than adequate.


Edited by JD DANNELS, June 12, 2013 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted June 12, 2013 - 12:58 PM

I forget where I was looking at but I know they make diesel conversion kits for the vtwin motors. Kohler and briggs sell diesel motors just by themselves.



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Posted June 12, 2013 - 02:14 PM

Is the 314's kohler shot?

 

No, just thinking of a repower because I can... :smilewink: and I do likes me the smell of some diesel exhaust in the morning. :thumbs:


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 02:31 PM

What's the formula for figuring torque? How does less hp have more torque???

 

Diesels have a higher compression which yields higher torque.  If two identical engines are built except for compression ratio, the higher compression will yeild more torque.  This is a simple summary but helps get the picture. 

 

Did some conversion the max torque is right at 20 ft/lb using this converter below:

http://www.convertun...m/kg m/to/lb ft

 

The k321 in optimal condition is 14 HP but I cannot find the torque rating.  I will work on that a bit more...



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Posted June 12, 2013 - 02:32 PM

If this is a 314 JD then I don't think it will fit. I looked into that option and the crank is about 7" from the mounting surface. This is much higher than the crank on the K321 which has the oil pan below the mounting flanges. You may get it to work if you went to a driveshaft and u joints like a 317 but with the stock drive shaft setup the crank needs to line up with the hydro input shaft. 


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 02:35 PM

If this is a 314 JD then I don't think it will fit. I looked into that option and the crank is about 7" from the mounting surface. This is much higher than the crank on the K321 which has the oil pan below the mounting flanges. You may get it to work if you went to a driveshaft and u joints like a 317 but with the stock drive shaft setup the crank needs to line up with the hydro input shaft. 

 

I was going to convert the metic measurements on their site to standard and go from there.  It is a shame I like to tinker with things and don't leave well enough alone.


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 02:41 PM

I was going to convert the metic measurements on their site to standard and go from there.  It is a shame I like to tinker with things and don't leave well enough alone.

My K321 has a cracked block. It still runs but a little rough and doesn't even smoke much. It pushes oil out though the crack so I've been looking at replacement engines. It's almost impossible to find a Kohler K321 here. The other issue with the 10hp clones is that you would need to make an adapter to get power off the flywheel side of the crank. There is a starter cup mounted to the flywheel so those holes could be used for an adapter but I don't know how strong that setup would be. The 20hp vtwin may actually have a lower crank height than the 10hp single! 


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Posted June 12, 2013 - 06:42 PM

Diesel fuel has almost twice the btu per gallon than gas. but requires hi comp to run. so you get better fuel economy and more power. love diesels. would like to find a cheap 16 -20 for one of mine.


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Posted June 13, 2013 - 09:43 AM

Been playing around a bit this morning with specs:

 

CROSS REFRENCE TO:

HONDA

  • Gx270
  • Gx340
  • Gx390

 KOHLER

  • CS8.5T
  • CS10T
  • CS12T

BRIGGS & STRATTON

  • 185432-0247
  • 201432-0035
  • 245432-0247

 

More in a bit...

 

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Posted June 13, 2013 - 11:30 AM

Founds specs/dimensions on the Honda gx340

 

Length (min) 407 mm (16.0")

Width (min) 485 mm (19.1")

Height (min) 449 mm (17.7")

Crank centerline = 133.5 mm (5.26")

 

gx390 is similar http://engine.honda..../specifications

 

 

 

If this is a 314 JD then I don't think it will fit. I looked into that option and the crank is about 7" from the mounting surface. This is much higher than the crank on the K321 which has the oil pan below the mounting flanges. You may get it to work if you went to a driveshaft and u joints like a 317 but with the stock drive shaft setup the crank needs to line up with the hydro input shaft. 

 

Brian, do you have the Kohler info handy?

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Posted June 13, 2013 - 11:39 AM

Been playing around a bit this morning with specs:

 

 

More in a bit...

wow, that shows fuel consumption is lowest at 2700 rpm. that makes me wonder about my diesel.






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