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#31 hatedge OFFLINE  

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Posted July 09, 2013 - 07:33 PM

OK heres where im standing: The tractor is most probably a 316H it now runs like a champ and I will post some pics soon. 

 

If some of you guys have Allis chalmers 316, 314 316H or 416, I would greatly apreciate seeing some pictures to try idetify it right and see the color scheme. Mine used to be orange and cream but im not shure of the color or patern

 

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Posted July 09, 2013 - 09:41 PM

You have a 1600051. That would be the first series 314H. It had 14 hp Kohler, corporate orange front axle, front frame, dash tower and seat pan, black transaxle, rear axle and side plates, cream rims, grill and hood. These are old photos of our 1600047, a first series 312D. The color scheme would be the same. Pardon the photos as they were taken with an Instamatic in 1971.
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Posted July 10, 2013 - 07:00 PM

You have a 1600051. That would be the first series 314H. It had 14 hp Kohler, corporate orange front axle, front frame, dash tower and seat pan, black transaxle, rear axle and side plates, cream rims, grill and hood. These are old photos of our 1600047, a first series 312D. The color scheme would be the same. Pardon the photos as they were taken with an Instamatic in 1971.

 

TY so much Phil.It will be a big help when Im ready to paint it back to original colors. I also need to find pics of the rear lift assy. The PO gave me a blade  and a small braket with a piece of tubing on it and long pins. He told me its for the rear lift for the blade but I cannot figure it out.

 

As for the model I talke to the PO again and hes the one who painted it red, He says he remembers the model number to be 16H. He also tells me that he rebuilt the engine 3 years ago and that he knos that its 16 hp. I just dont know what to think anymore. is it 16 is it 14 is it H or not? 


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Posted July 10, 2013 - 07:41 PM

Why don't we start with what you have? please post some photos of what you have and we can steer you in the proper direction. I know that you need the lift lever and probably lift rod coming from your rock shaft.

Parts number 19, 18, 17, 16, 14, 13, and 12 in graphic below.
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Regardless of what the PO may think or say. The markings on the tractor data plate, first three digits "051" indicate that it is/was a 314H. The plate on the engine cowl says k321. The k321 is a 14 hp engine. For it to be a 16 hp it would need to be a K341.

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Posted July 15, 2013 - 12:14 PM

Why don't we start with what you have? please post some photos of what you have and we can steer you in the proper direction. I know that you need the lift lever and probably lift rod coming from your rock shaft.

Parts number 19, 18, 17, 16, 14, 13, and 12 in graphic below.
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Regardless of what the PO may think or say. The markings on the tractor data plate, first three digits "051" indicate that it is/was a 314H. The plate on the engine cowl says k321. The k321 is a 14 hp engine. For it to be a 16 hp it would need to be a K341.

Yes TY I did know that K321 is a 14 hp but The PO got me doubting myself and when I saw the tag it said K321S I got to thinking that the S might mean a special engine config that might have 16 hp. I will not doubt myself again or contradic ye mates anymore  :thumbs:

 

Now on the rear lift. 



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Posted July 15, 2013 - 12:21 PM

I seem to be missing quite a few parts for the rear lift I think I have 18 19 and 20 from your diagram and nothing else (exept for a few bolts and pins)

 

Here a pic of whats on there now. Dont mind the rusted bracket its a counterweight holder that will be taken off because its touching the trans drain plug and I dont want to crack it.w Allis Chalmers 316H (10).JPG w Allis Chalmers 316H (11).JPG w Allis Chalmers 316H (12).JPG


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Posted July 15, 2013 - 04:23 PM

You have the main components, the rest you can fabricate pretty easily,


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Posted July 16, 2013 - 09:03 PM

You have the main components, the rest you can fabricate pretty easily,

I would really like to get a few of your drawings. I have a har time figuring out how this is assembled and how it works. I think I have part  12 too its on the blade frame. Is there a place where I can get this parts /owner/repair manual? I looked for it but couldnt find it expt for sale and Im fairly broke right now. 



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Posted July 16, 2013 - 09:17 PM

Forget I ever asked for those manuals. I just realised that I have all of them  :wallbanging: 



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Posted July 17, 2013 - 01:26 PM

You have the main components, the rest you can fabricate pretty easily,

Call me dumb but I dont see how this thing is hooked up :( 

After looking closely, I think  I have all the parts exept for number 24.

But I dont see how 12 can reach the front lift assy through the hydro. Unless I dont understand the blow up view



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Posted July 17, 2013 - 06:26 PM

Here is how the lift rod was & is routed on my HB112.  Hope it helps.

 

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Posted July 18, 2013 - 09:33 AM

Here is how the lift rod was & is routed on my HB112.  Hope it helps.

 

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I will be looking at it today and be back with some news. TY very much I think this will help



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Posted July 20, 2013 - 09:40 AM

OK! thanks to the help generously provided here I have the dozer blade and the rear lift assy up and running. I took out the GT to give it a try in a compost pile next to the garden and noticed the tranny was prety weak and seemed to slip. It was ok before I dont understand why all of a sudden it started acting up. Well I took the Gt back to the barn to see if the lift rod had damaged anything vital but everything seemed ok. I decided to look at the hydro filter to see if it was clogged. Lo and behold! theres no filter in the cannister! And I dont see any oil in there either!

 

From traces of oil in the bottom of cannister I can see a red fluid was used by the PO but I dont know what type, ATF, Dextron, regular hydro fluid? I ran inside to check the manuals and it says I need 80EP, Now I dont know what 80 EP looks like is it red? If it is then ill just top it off but if its gold it means the fluid in there is wrong and I wonder if tranny flush is mandatory.


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Posted July 20, 2013 - 12:09 PM

Well Ive decided to take a chance and filled it up with: Kleen-flo No.1 EP hydraulic fluid. It seems to run somewhat better but I guess theres probably some air trapped in there. I will be moving around with it this afternoon to see if it gets better. Moday morning I'll get a filter.



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Posted July 20, 2013 - 12:23 PM

You must not have read far enough in the operator's manual. The transmission final drive uses 80 EP oil, but the hydrosatatic transmission pump uses Dexron ATF. 


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