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#1 DH1 OFFLINE  

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Posted May 30, 2013 - 08:23 PM

What starter is suppose to go on a K341, 16hp Kohler?

 

I have 3 starters, 2 have 16 tooth, and 1 has 10 tooth.

 

Near as I can find out the 16 tooth is for 6hp to 8hp motors and

the 10 tooth is for 10hp to 16hp motors. ???

 

All 3 of the starters I have came off of 14hp and 16hp K series Kohlers in Massey MF14, MF16 tractors.

I find the 16 tooth starters don't seem to have enough to start the 16hp all the time, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

The 1, 10 tooth starter I have has 1 broken tooth.

 

So  What starter is suppose to go on a K341, 16hp Kohler?



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Posted May 30, 2013 - 10:19 PM

im not sure which one goes on what but if the 10 tooth starter seems to start the 16hp kohlers well then i would take that starter and just use the starter gear off of the 16 tooth starter and see if that fixes your problem. if that doesnt work then maybe the 16 tooth gears may bind up if they dont fit correctly so maybe you might want to find a replacement gear for the 10 tooth starter. or instead of wasting time you could take the 2 starter gears and see which starter gear matches your flywheel teeth the best.  im not an expert here but thats what i would probably do! hope this helps!

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Posted May 30, 2013 - 10:54 PM

According to this, the 14 and 16 hp use the 10 tooth, and the 6 and 8 hp use the 16 tooth.

 

http://www.mfgsupply...er/sab0050.html

 

http://www.mfgsupply...er/sab0043.html


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Posted May 31, 2013 - 05:15 AM

I don't think you could exchange gears between the 2 types. The different diameter of the gears will result in a misalignment when you mount the starter with the different sized gear. You may be able to shim a 10tooth starter to use a 16 tooth gear but it wouldn't work the other way.


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Posted May 31, 2013 - 06:48 AM

Have you got a piece of cotton rope?


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Posted May 31, 2013 - 09:36 AM

Gonna be the 10 tooth. The two shold have diferent diameters, so the 16 won't line up if you try and switch gear heads.

 

If the starter won't turn with enough authority you could have several issues;

 

Check the wiring and GROUND to the starter to make sure it's good. Most starters ground to the engine block, so make sure the engine block is grounded good to the frame. I've run a jumper from the negative of the battery to the starter mount bolt before to ENSURE I had a good ground. Wires corrode over time and damage may not be visible....

 

Starter selinoid may have burned contacts. Not usually, but possible. Use a good set of jumper cables to your battery to test the starter directly - if it works good off the jumper, you have a wiring problem. This works for the first thing as well...

 

Pull and rebuild your starter. The starter has 2 big magnets inside, glued to the case. One (or both) can be broken and not working. I had a starter that worked but had no power - one of the magnets was fractured and had pieces all over the inside of the starter. Luckily, I had another case laying around that I could use.

 

Starter has brushes and a commutator - brushes wear out and need to be replaced and the commutator (copper disk on end of the stator) oxidizes and makes poor contact. You can buy replacement brushes and clean the commutator with very fine sand paper (500 grit).

 

Worst case, the stator has burned/shorted coils in the winding - short (sorry, no pun intended..) of rewinding it, no way to fix that...

 

After having said all that, replacement starters are around $60 if you shop around - replacement brand, not name brand. An added bonus, most of these replacements have more wire in them and have more torque than the OEM starter. May not last as long as the original, but if you are replacing a 30 year old starter........ :smilewink:


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Posted May 31, 2013 - 06:59 PM

Starter was connected with booster cables from a car battery, bypassed all the tractors wires and no difference.

 

Looks like I need a 10 tooth starter for it to work right, thanks for the answers and input guys.

 

Going to order a new gear for the 1  -  10 tooth starter I have, and see if I can find a new starer also for my other 16hp Kohler without paying $150. + from my local supplier.



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Posted May 31, 2013 - 07:00 PM

Have you got a piece of cotton rope?

 ??? Don't know what your getting at here.


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Posted May 31, 2013 - 07:22 PM

Thanks for that great starter rebuild info, TennBlue.

Should be very useful info to others.

 

Doug, I'm going to be placing an order with MFG, in the near future.

Do you want a new starter? for stock?

It'd take a while to get to you, but at almost 1/2 price......



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Posted May 31, 2013 - 07:29 PM

 ??? Don't know what your getting at here.

I think he meant just use a starter rope



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Posted May 31, 2013 - 07:31 PM

I think he meant just use a starter rope

 

:bigrofl: :bigrofl:  Well I missed that one.



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Posted June 02, 2013 - 08:31 PM

Today I tried all 3 starters on a K341 and the 10 tooth definitely has more toque to turn the engine over, it now is N/G as the motor shaft turns but the gear doesn't.

The other 2 - 13 tooth starters, can easily produce smoke while trying to turn over the engine, sometimes they will turn it over enough to start it.

New 10 tooth starter is on it's way.






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