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#1 suburban 12 OFFLINE  

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Posted May 06, 2013 - 08:56 PM

Over the winter, I bought some garden plows form a guy not far from me. He showed me an old copar panzer that he had started taking apart to restore. He had other projects and didn't have time to work on it, so it sat on a pallet for a wile. I called him last week, made him an offer, and we settled on a price and I finally picked it up today. It is in pieces, without a motor and came with a snow plow. Does anyone know what model it is?

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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:07 PM

Looks like a "T55"

T55's had a long hood and the steering wheel was too far back making it somewhat uncomfortable to drive.  In later years the hood was shortened.

http://www.panzertra...zerHistory.html


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:44 PM

Thanks, I read the description for the T50 and T55. It is definitely a T55, it has the bushing where the column goes into the grill casting. How hard is it to find a rear lift?



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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:56 PM

Might be just as easy to build one if you can get pictures and dimensions.  Those Panzers were pretty simple.

GREAT TRACTOR by the way!   Can't say as I have ever even seen a T55.


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 10:02 PM

Now that I am looking and reading, what is the difference between the T55 and the T60/ T65? It came with the engine Isolation plate, it also has the slots for an engine to mount right to the frame. Did someone add this to the tractor? The guy I bought it form said that it had a replacement engine, could it have been added when the engine was replaced? Or do I have a T60/ T65? In the pic above, the steering wheel is not all the way on, but not that much off.



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Posted May 06, 2013 - 10:24 PM

There are differences in the T65 enough to rule that out.

It is possible it could be a T60 - I'm not that up on them to know.


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 10:31 PM

whatever it is, it is a cool tractor.  I like the      copar

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Posted May 07, 2013 - 03:41 AM

Without seeing it assembled, I cannot tell for sure. It is a T55 or T60 though. Not sure which. The location of the steering arm from the steering gear, location of the pto plate on the left side would help determine for sure. Oh and the original engine size would have made it easier as well. If the serial number plate is missing or illegible, I can't tell from the pictures.

Congratulations on a great find! I have a few Panzers and I find them EASY and fun to work with. I let my nephews drive them around, supervised of course, and they love it. One of my nephew's asked me if he could have one.....that was a difficult, "Not yet."  

I'm looking forward to seeing your progress during the rebuild!


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Posted May 07, 2013 - 07:27 AM

whatever it is, it is a cool tractor.  I like the      copar

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Seconded.  The Panzer I looked at (and was hit with a ridiculous price) had that on the hood, and I was smitten.

 

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Posted May 07, 2013 - 07:47 AM

nice panzer. dont know waat model though


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Posted May 07, 2013 - 07:52 AM

If it came with the engine isolation plate, it's T-60. There would have been rubber mounts between the frame and engine plates. Definitely not a T-65 as they had the PTO plate as a separate piece forward of the engine location. Give Jim a call at Dandy Sales and he should be able to give more info.
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Posted May 07, 2013 - 02:52 PM

I think that the isolation plate is a recent addition for a few reasons. The plate has much better paint than any of the rest of the tractor, on both sides. There are mounting holes on the tractor, under where the plate goes. Is this enough to determine what model it is?

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Posted May 07, 2013 - 05:32 PM

Nice find. Don't know much about Panzers but I like them
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Posted May 07, 2013 - 05:53 PM

The paint on the plate where the engine sits is usually in better shape due to the lack of exposure to the elements. Especially if it sat indoors. If the engine ever leaked oil, it dripped onto the plate and assisted in "preserving" the paint as well. When all that grease, grime and oil is wiped away, voila, new paint that is not faded or peeled. The engine isolation plates are hard to find to add after the fact. It is easier to remove the isolation plate with the engine attached to work on it. When people took the engines off and they got separated for a while, the plates are easily misplaced and sometimes never made it back to the Panzer frame. Long story short, The isolation plate doesn't help me identify the model. Maybe another guy will have a bit more knowledge and we can all learn from him.


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Posted May 07, 2013 - 06:11 PM

This tractor was not kept in a garage for a long time, till the guy I bought it off of bought it. There is hardly any paint left on anything else other than the rims and inside of the brake drums. Also, of the few plate pics that I have seen, they look like they are cast, the one on mine appears to be cut form a steel plate. And, both sides of the plate are have nearly perfect paint, not much rust on the bottom, I would think should have some more rust on it without having oil on it. And the rubber bushings are not distorted or dry rotted at all. There is also a small, uniform bend on the back edge of the plate, the edge with the rusting paint. My main question it why it would have the mount holes in the frame and the isolation plate? Could someone have made the plate if they had the resources and knowledge or known someone who could make a plate?


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