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#1 UncleWillie ONLINE  

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Posted May 04, 2013 - 05:39 PM

Ok I have been trying to get this Troybilt (Model 13AN689G766) running. It blew the original engine but I had a great running engine off Craftsman (917.252531). It is a Briggs model 28N707 Type 0162 01 code 9410104b. I have the engine on but I cant figure out how to make it work with the troy wiring harness. The Briggs I am putting on is older than what was on it. Troy is a 04 Briggs is a 99. I could make it work but have no safety's and that would be fine if I was keeping it, but I plan to sell it. I don't want to be sued by some idiot who mows over his own foot because he got off with the blades running.
There has to be a way to make it work.
Th wiring diagram for the Troy is here

http://www.thelawnmo...00-B/0016000009
The diagram for the Craftsman is here.

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The plug on the tractor harness has 4 wires: blue, yellow, red, red/blk stripe. (the blue I know is the headlights)

The engine side has 4 wires: orange, blue, black, red.
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The red and orange to thru a plug and the red stays red the orange turns black and it goes to the alternator.

The black and blue go thru a plug and the black stays black and goes to the coil while the blue turns red and goes to a terminal that is broken off in the plug and I have no idea where it went.
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My brain is tired from not sleeping much last night and I just cant figure this out. Please help. I don't want to ruin a freshly sharpened set of mower blades.

Edited by mybigwarwagon, May 04, 2013 - 06:01 PM.

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Posted May 04, 2013 - 07:11 PM

I will give it a go.

 

Sears Engine

Red wire- comes from alternator dc voltage to charge battery

Orange wire- comes from alternator for lights ac voltage

Blue wire - fuel sol on carb

black wire - comes from magneto grounds coil to stop engine

 

Check me out to make sure

its hard to get smoke back in alternator if it comes out :mad2:

 

Pony

Blue wire- lights

Red - carb sol

Red/Black- Alternator dc voltage

Yellow- Magneto


Edited by jms180, May 04, 2013 - 08:05 PM.

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Posted May 04, 2013 - 07:57 PM

Yeah I know that but which do I hook to what to make it run. I don't want to let that smoke out.

 

 

Any idea where that broken connector should be?



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 08:13 PM

in picture # 3 is the wire out of the connector body side or engine side



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 08:41 PM

Engine side. It goes into a connector with the wire that goes to the coil. 



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 08:53 PM

Let me explain why I cannot figure this out. Back in 2000 I had a bad wreck and bounced my brain around my head. Now some things just defy my to figure out. What I need to know is which wire on the tractor side to connect to the engine side. I will change the connector out to make it right. I am just having trouble with the figuring.



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 11:03 PM

Think the fellow above with the two brands and colors for what has it. Four wires from each side, I'm sure connectors are diff tho, so you will have to cut those off and apply your own, or just twist and solder wires together (not too good). Can use common connectors like for trailers or other wiring found in most stores. Might have to use a couple of twin wire connectors and have separate. SO, go back and connect the colors fella says do the same job and should work. You could try to connect temporarily and try them out before making permanent.  Hey, if you happen to have both ends of a connector out of either of the tractors, maybe you could keep those on and cut wires behind it to wire up the other colors. Hmmm! Now I don't know if I said that right....sigh!


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Posted May 05, 2013 - 06:02 AM

Willie, I am going to stare at this for a few, but that terminal looks for all the world like the ground tabs on some of my stuff. Could you look for a broken off ground tab under a screw near where this wants to naturally be?

Also, I need one more pic. Could you please plug the engine harness into the tractor harness so I can see the translation of colors there? It may be perspective, but it looks like a couple flip and that would mess up the schematic translation I started to do.
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Posted May 05, 2013 - 07:26 AM

sorry I am not much help. from looking at the schematic the wire at the diode for the alternator is red. Is the diode with the engine or has it been removed?



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Posted May 05, 2013 - 08:14 AM

Let me explain why I cannot figure this out. Back in 2000 I had a bad wreck and bounced my brain around my head. Now some things just defy my to figure out. What I need to know is which wire on the tractor side to connect to the engine side. I will change the connector out to make it right. I am just having trouble with the figuring.

I've been in many accidents and had my noggin bounced around many times so now I've been experiencing epileptic problems be the black wire is the Kill wire that grounds the magneto and kills the spark..  The black wire from the motor needs to be hooked to the yellow wire from your key's kill switch or M terminal on the Key switch.  Your Safety interlocks seat or reverse switch ground the magneto as well since they will ground that wire as well (two wires connected to the M terminal on your key switch) if they are set to the wrong position.  See what I am saying??  Take a look @ your tractor's wiring diagram..  See ya around MB W-squared! :smilewink:


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Posted May 05, 2013 - 08:22 AM

Looks to me like it should be:

 

Red wire from engine to Red/Black on Pony for DC voltage

Orange wire on engine to Blue on Pony for AC lights

Blue wire on engine to Red on Pony for carb solenoid 

Black wire on engine to Yellow on Pony for magneto

 

I believe the red wire with the broken connector should be on the fuel solenoid at the carb.


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Posted May 05, 2013 - 09:25 AM

I agree with Greg should work



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Posted May 05, 2013 - 12:51 PM

As far as I can remember there is no solenoid on the carb. Although I cant swim out there right now and look. Been pouring rain since early this morning and my water wings are out in the truck. I know there is no antifire valve on it.


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Posted May 05, 2013 - 12:56 PM

I understand we had 2.5 inches of rain yesterday.



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Posted May 05, 2013 - 01:08 PM

 Been pouring rain since early this morning and my water wings are out in the truck.

I hate when that happens. Maybe you need to invest in another set to keep in the house!


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