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Posted February 18, 2013 - 02:56 PM

I may have a buyer for my Wheel Horse and was looking around for something that needs nothing done, just ready to enjoy.  Found a nice restored Bolens 650 with mower deck.  Owner says it needs nothing, its ready to use or show.  Anything to watch out for putting the old girl back to work?  It looks really nice in pictures, has lights, no other options just the mower deck.  I would want to find a tiller for it to put our garden out each year.  I used to have a 1050 Bolens but it had mower deck gear box seal issues, noisy transmission and the Wisconson engine smoked like a chimney.  Needed to much work for my limited budget. So, I am looking for one of that body style/colors thats a turn key machine for $600ish bucks or will swap for my WH if the potential buyer falls threw.   About the only ugly part on the 650 is the steering wheel, has the usualy cracks, missing center cap and worn finish.   Thanks in advance.   Mike



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Posted February 18, 2013 - 03:11 PM

If The "restore" was done properly you should have a nice machine.

 

 With no locking differential and 6HP Briggs engine you may have to take it slow mowing in tall grass & Tilling in rocky/heavy soil

 

The 1050 you had previously is definietly a better machine compared to the 650. The Wisconsin has alot more pep and torque than the Briggs.

 

Have any pictures?



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Posted February 18, 2013 - 04:28 PM

I am awaiting the owner to txt me back to see if its still available for sale, it not I will just keep looking.  Just trying to trade my way into something that doesnt look ratty and really doest need any major work.  The 1050 was a beast, but it need a full restoration done on it.  When I get out of school, I will atleast have the money to restore them again if not a little shorter on time.  If the tractor is still available, I will post up the pics.  I would love to find a HT20d or any of the diesel models as I am a diesel mechanic in training right now.  Mike



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Posted February 19, 2013 - 09:26 AM

I am awaiting the owner to txt me back to see if its still available for sale, it not I will just keep looking.  Just trying to trade my way into something that doesnt look ratty and really doest need any major work.  The 1050 was a beast, but it need a full restoration done on it.  When I get out of school, I will atleast have the money to restore them again if not a little shorter on time.  If the tractor is still available, I will post up the pics.  I would love to find a HT20d or any of the diesel models as I am a diesel mechanic in training right now.  Mike

 

 

yea good luck finding a HT20D there not to popular and if you find one you better get it or it will be gone. i agree with brian the 650 was made mostly to run a deck and push blade. they didnt have high and low either so i have a 650 but im just going to restore ie and restore the front mounted pto reel mower i have and mount that on that



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Posted February 19, 2013 - 12:02 PM

 the 650 was made mostly to run a deck and push blade. they didnt have high and low either

 

While the Hi-Lo range was not built into the transmission, the 650 had two ranges by changing the belt to a different groove on the pulley.


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Posted February 19, 2013 - 02:12 PM

Brian,

 

I think this is the 650 he's talking about.  Danged nice looking tractor.

 

 

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Posted February 19, 2013 - 09:46 PM

That is a very nice looking 650. Doesn't look like the brown has been redone even.



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Posted February 20, 2013 - 11:51 AM

someone must of put them rear tires on there, they came with 6x12s  very nice looking machine though



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Posted February 25, 2013 - 06:35 PM

Thats the tractor, but till my wheel horse finds a new home, I dont have the funds to buy it.  Mike



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Posted February 25, 2013 - 09:27 PM

i got a 650 and a 750 locked up in a trailer waiting to be restored... this summer i might get to them



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Posted February 25, 2013 - 11:03 PM

While the Hi-Lo range was not built into the transmission, the 650 had two ranges by changing the belt to a different groove on the pulley.

 

It looks like from the pictures of that 650 that it doesn't have a Hi/Lo range handle to swap the belts//pulleys like on my 850. I didn't think the 650 had any Hi/Lo range anyways?  Unless you manually have to shut the tractor off to swap belts onto a different pulley to engage Hi or Lo range and on the 850 (maybe even the 750?) Bolens had the Hi/Lo handle there to allow you to engage the different belts on the fly?

 

It otherwise does look like a pretty nice tractor without having seen it run or anything.  I wouldn't exactly say that it "needs nothing", especially if you were going to show it.  If you want to get nit-picky with it even for putting it to general use it could use a few things just from looking at the pictures (let alone if the blades under the deck need sharpening or replacing or if a belt or pulley is worn out or broken for some reason, which you can't exactly see from the pictures...)  The seat isn't original and honestly doesn't even look that close... (is it mounted on coil springs and/or is a flip-up seat or something?  Kinda looks that way to me at least...)  You can see black duct tape on the seat as well, which tells me it could use some work or replacement.  Plus, the steering wheel, while functional I'm sure, doesn't seem to fit with the condition of the rest of the tractor and, as already has been mentioned, is missing the center cap as well.  Plus, the muffler looks pretty rotten, if it is even original or not to that engine.  (I mean, it looks like a Briggs muffler, but one you would expect on a push mower or a leaf shredder, not on a tractor...)

 

Actually, speaking of engines, I'm kinda surprised to hear that this has a Briggs and Stratton engine on it...  and it is original?  I thought pretty much all Bolens tractors (with some exceptions, of course, including all of the diesels) had Wisconsin engines in them, with only a few Techumseh's scattered about in the 1970's?  I figured the 750's had 7HP Wisconsins in them and the 850's had the 8HP Wisconsins, so why wouldn't the 650's have a 6HP Wisconsin in them?  Maybe even a 7HP still, but just fewer features than the 750 (like the locking differential or Hi/Lo ranges)?



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Posted February 26, 2013 - 06:34 AM

That 650 Dosen't look too bad

Only things I spotted were the Replacement seat, No Decals on the deck but a big Bonus the guy actually painted it the original Color!

 

The ID plate/Decal is not supposed to be near the shifter area....

-Larger Tires were added

 

Looks like the guy did a decent job though and glad he stuck as close to original as possible.



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Posted February 26, 2013 - 06:39 AM

It looks like from the pictures of that 650 that it doesn't have a Hi/Lo range handle to swap the belts//pulleys like on my 850. I didn't think the 650 had any Hi/Lo range anyways?  Unless you manually have to shut the tractor off to swap belts onto a different pulley to engage Hi or Lo range and on the 850 (maybe even the 750?) Bolens had the Hi/Lo handle there to allow you to engage the different belts on the fly?

 

To Change speed ranges you would have to move the belt from one pulley to the other.

 

  Plus, the muffler looks pretty rotten, if it is even original or not to that engine.  (I mean, it looks like a Briggs muffler, but one you would expect on a push mower or a leaf shredder, not on a tractor...)

 

Muffler Is correct for the engine and time period....

 

 

Actually, speaking of engines, I'm kinda surprised to hear that this has a Briggs and Stratton engine on it...  and it is original?  I thought pretty much all Bolens tractors (with some exceptions, of course, including all of the diesels) had Wisconsin engines in them, with only a few Techumseh's scattered about in the 1970's?  I figured the 750's had 7HP Wisconsins in them and the 850's had the 8HP Wisconsins, so why wouldn't the 650's have a 6HP Wisconsin in them?  Maybe even a 7HP still, but just fewer features than the 750 (like the locking differential or Hi/Lo ranges)?

 

The 6HP Briggs is original on the 650.

The wisconsins were more expensive than the Briggs which Is why Briggs were used in the 650&750

At the time they were the more affordable tractor if you were on a tight budget.

The Lack of a locking differential and 6 speed transmission cut down on the price compared to the 1050.


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Posted February 26, 2013 - 09:45 AM

The 6HP Briggs is original on the 650.

The wisconsins were more expensive than the Briggs which Is why Briggs were used in the 650&750

At the time they were the more affordable tractor if you were on a tight budget.

The Lack of a locking differential and 6 speed transmission cut down on the price compared to the 1050.

 

Hmmmm...  but I could have sworn that the 750 used the 7HP Wisconsin and not a Briggs engine?  If the 650 did indeed have a B&S on it, I thought that the 750 had an S7D engine in it and the 850 had the S8D in it.  The 1050 had the TRA-10D in it, right?  I know Bolens used Wisconsin S7D engines in some of their tractors...



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Posted February 26, 2013 - 12:40 PM

Hmmmm...  but I could have sworn that the 750 used the 7HP Wisconsin and not a Briggs engine?  If the 650 did indeed have a B&S on it, I thought that the 750 had an S7D engine in it and the 850 had the S8D in it.  The 1050 had the TRA-10D in it, right?  I know Bolens used Wisconsin S7D engines in some of their tractors...

Hi, Kevin!

 

Bolens 600 (1962-1965) used 6hp B&S

Bolens 650 (1966) used 6hp B&S

Bolens 750 (1967) used 7hp B&S

Bolens 800 (1963) used Wisconsin S7D

Bolens 800 (1964-1965) used Wisconsin S8D

Bolens 850 (1966-1969) used Wisconsin S8D

Bolens 853 (1970-1971) used 8hp B&S

Bolens 900 (1964-1965) used Wisconsin S8D

Bolens 1000 (1965) used Wisconsin S8D

Bolens 1050 (1966) used Wisconsin TR-10D

Bolens 1050 (1967-1969) used Wisconsin TRA-10D

Bolens 1053 (1970) used Wisconsin TRA-10D

 

Bolens EK 930 (1964-1966) used Wisconsin S7D

Bolens EK 931 (1967-1969) used Wisconsin TRA-10D


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