Jump to content

Nominations for Tractor of the Month
Garden Tractors and Parts on eBay



Photo
- - - - -

Cozy Cab Help And 400 Vs 420?


  • Please log in to reply
17 replies to this topic

#1 curts garage OFFLINE  

curts garage

    New Member

  • Member
  • Member No: 1256
  • 40 Thanks
  • 70 posts
  • Location: Fall Creek WI

Posted February 14, 2013 - 11:00 PM

So I have a JD 317 that my grandpa bought new in 79 and I am looking to buy a 400 or 420  any pros or cons?  Also I want to put a cozy cab on, I found one that was on a 317, will it fit a 400 or 420?  my plans are to get a 2 stage snow blow and use it for snow removal come next winter.

 

I found a very nice yellow cab for $575 and a 47" 2 stage blower for $1000  what ya think?

 

I would also like to put a 3 point, pto, and tiller on eventually.

 

All and any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


  • larryd said thank you

#2 daytime dave ONLINE  

daytime dave

    Live long and prosper

  • Senior Member
  • -GTt Supporter-
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 531
  • 4,485 Thanks
  • 6,353 posts
  • Location: Upstate NY

Posted February 14, 2013 - 11:33 PM

The cab for the 300 series should fit the 400 series, at least the 420.  I would look for the 420.  As far as I know there are way more of them.  I'm not that familiar with the 400.  I think the 420 would be the best platform for all your needs down the road.  


  • larryd said thank you

#3 Cat385B ONLINE  

Cat385B

    Therapy CAT

  • Senior Member
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 8002
  • 11,737 Thanks
  • 8,912 posts
  • Location: MN

Posted February 14, 2013 - 11:44 PM

420 attachments fit several models. Attachments for the 400's only fit the 400's. My vote would be for a 420.


  • larryd said thank you

#4 Reverend Blair OFFLINE  

Reverend Blair

    Tractorholic

  • Senior Member
  • Member No: 1659
  • 501 Thanks
  • 952 posts
  • Location: Winnipeg

Posted February 15, 2013 - 06:31 AM

I have a 420 and highly recommend it.  Small enough to get in and out of tight spots, but big enough to do pretty much anything with.  

 

The one drawback to the 420 is the 2000 RPM rear PTO, which leaves you looking for older implements that will run on that speed, but I believe the 400 has the same problem.


  • larryd said thank you

#5 curts garage OFFLINE  

curts garage

    New Member

  • Member
  • Member No: 1256
  • 40 Thanks
  • 70 posts
  • Location: Fall Creek WI

Posted February 15, 2013 - 06:44 AM

420 attachments fit several models. Attachments for the 400's only fit the 400's. My vote would be for a 420.

are you saying that a blade, mower deck from a 400 wont fit a 420?  or the blower i'm looking at that is on a 420 wont fit a 400 if I get one?  any other thoughts out there?


  • larryd said thank you

#6 Reverend Blair OFFLINE  

Reverend Blair

    Tractorholic

  • Senior Member
  • Member No: 1659
  • 501 Thanks
  • 952 posts
  • Location: Winnipeg

Posted February 15, 2013 - 07:46 AM

My understanding is that rear attachments fit because they are 3pt. and the PTO is the same, but front and mid-mount may need modification or may not fit at all.  Of course I've misunderstood enough things in my life that I'd wait for verification on that. 

 

Wasn't there a list of JD attachments and what they'd fit somewhere on the site?  I've been looking in the manuals section, but don't see it.


  • larryd said thank you

#7 Cat385B ONLINE  

Cat385B

    Therapy CAT

  • Senior Member
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 8002
  • 11,737 Thanks
  • 8,912 posts
  • Location: MN

Posted February 15, 2013 - 08:09 AM

are you saying that a blade, mower deck from a 400 wont fit a 420?  or the blower i'm looking at that is on a 420 wont fit a 400 if I get one?  any other thoughts out there?

 

That is correct. 400 mid and front attachments will not fit on the 300's, 420, 430 without modification. Also, the rear pto on a 400 is not 2000 rpm like the 318, 420, etc. It is 840 rpm. Which is exclusive to the 400. (i.e., good luck finding that stuff)


  • larryd said thank you

#8 Trav1s ONLINE  

Trav1s

    Got points?

  • Senior Member
  • Member No: 5472
  • 2,603 Thanks
  • 3,750 posts
  • Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Posted February 15, 2013 - 09:39 AM

I think the 400/420s great machines but the additional cost of attachments are a turn off for me.  I would lean towards the 420 of the two.   From WFM:

 

 

The John Deere 400 series Garden Tractors

The year 1975 brought many changes to the John Deere garden tractor line.  Engines were now enclosed and rubber mounted. The 100 series that had been the staple of the line since the beginning was replaced by the 200 series tractors, the 140 was replaced by the new 300. Styling was changed to more closely reflect the styling on the full size farm tractors, and headlights were integrated into this styling.  OSHA put greater emphasis on operator safety.  And horsepower was up across the board. No where was this more prevalent than in the new 400.

Imagine your surprise, visiting your friendly Weekend Freedom Machines dealer to buy a hydrostatic filter for your less than a year old 140, when you see the new 400.  If the new styling wasn’t enough of a shock how about the sheer size of it! And the features, including POWER STEERING! For 1975 the 400 introduced the following new features:

  • Twin cylinder air-cooled 19.9 horsepower Kohler KQ532 with oil filter.
  • Two speed hydrostatic transaxle.
  • A rear mounted 4.5-gallon fuel tank.
  • Power Assisted steering.
  • Three spools of hydraulics, 2 remote and 1 for the rockshaft.
  • PTO driven mower deck and snowthrower.
  • A 60” mower deck.
  • Rear PTO drive for towed and three point attachments (optional).
  • Rockshaft installed Category “0” three point hitch (optional).

 

How much bigger was a 400 than a 140? The wheelbase was six inches longer, the overall length was 8 inches greater, and the track was seven inches wider than a 140 with its rear wheels set out. Not only that, but it was 250 pounds heavier. The front tires were the same size as the rear tires on last years Model 70 Lawn Tractor. It was a tractor in the world of lawn mowers, and its new 60” deck could eat an acre every 30 minutes. The impact at the time must have been similar to when the 5010 was introduced.

 

Of course, a tractor this size needed specially sized attachments. Allied equipment suppliers were once again quick to provide attachments for the commercial user including front loaders and rear backhoes, trenchers, 3-point mounted flail mowers and rear post hole diggers. Deere had a full array of factory attachments ready for the introduction of the 400. All were configured to make the most of a tractor this size. Factory offered attachments are as follows:

  • A 60” mowing deck (shaft driven)
  • # 50 Snowthower (shaft driven)
  • #56 Front Blade with Hydraulic lift and angle
  • # 35 Rotary Tiller, operated off of the optional rear PTO and 3-point hitch.
  • #15 Plow with a 12” bottom.
  • #20 Front Mounted Loader.

Deere obviously introduced the 400 to take on all the competition, which at that time was primarily Bolen’s HT-20. But with power steering as standard, and the backing of Deere’s parts network, it took the wind out of the competition’s sails. It took International 5 years to match it with the Cub Cadet 982. It is considered by many to be the first “Super Garden Tractor”. And the number of these tractors still being used today is a testament to the people that built them.

The Model 420 and 430

For eight years, the 400 ruled as monarch over the Deere Lawn and Garden line. Thankfully it did not suffer the same growing pains that the 300 series did. In 1983, Deere replaced the 400 with an all-new design; the 420. It was quieter, stronger, and had a few more features than the 400 it replaced. As with the 400, it was an immediate success. Features included:

  • Two-cylinder 20 horsepower Onan B48G air cooled engine with cast iron cylinder liners
  • First use of annunciator lights incorporated into dash panel.
  • Electromagnetic clutch for both front and rear PTO.
  • Redesigned fender deck resulting in a more "squared off" appearance with greater operator protection and comfort and a rear mounted 6.5-gallon fuel tank.
  • Redesigned front axle to allow more weight bearing capacity. Replaceable spindle bushings.
  • Transaxle manufactured by Tecumseh, with a Hydraulic oil cooler, two speeds, and differential lock
  • True hydrostatic power steering. A first on a Lawn and Garden tractor.
  • A reserve fuel tank that allowed 15-30 minutes extra operating time.
  • Three spools of remote hydraulics.

 

The greatest contributions that the 420 brought to the table were the hydrostatic power steering and the new Onan engine. The steering allowed a turning radius of 26 inches, the same as a 318! With the 60-inch deck, three point turns were all but eliminated. The Onan engine had a long resume of commercial and industrial applications. It was quieter, and had greater torque rise than the Kohler it replaced. By this time, more compact tractors had reached the marketplace, with Deere entering it in 1979 with the 750 and the 850. These Yanmar-sourced diesels helped to fill the gap between the garden tractor line and the farm tractor line. As such, the new 420 was slightly lighter than the 400 it replaced. Emphasis was placed on operator comfort and convenience. Deere offered the following attachments:

  • 50- or 60-inch mower deck with shaft drive
  • 50- or 60-inch rear grooming mower
  • 48-inch rotary tiller
  • 54-inch front blade
  • 46-inch front snow thrower
  • 47-inch 2 stage snow blower
  • #20 plow
  • #44 front loader

In 1984, Deere introduced the 430, Deere’s first tractor to combine a diesel engine with hydrostatic drive and power steering. The 430 utilized a Yanmar 3-cylinder water-cooled diesel, and all of the features previously found on a 420. Turning radius and attachments remained the same, but weight was up; 1170 pounds. The heaviest, strongest John Deere garden tractor ever. The 420 and the 430 stayed in the garden tractor line until 1992, with the introduction of the 425 series. Many consider these to be the best that John Deere ever built, perhaps the best in the industry. No other garden tractor combined all of the features and stamina, convenience and versatility that epitomized the 400 series.


  • curts garage, Delmar, larryd and 1 other said thanks

#9 JRJ OFFLINE  

JRJ
  • Senior Member
  • Member No: 16399
  • 876 Thanks
  • 1,170 posts
  • Location: N.W. Arkansas

Posted February 15, 2013 - 01:10 PM

Looks like the 420 would be you best shot all the round from the info. posted by Trav1s, and it sounds like it would be you best bet.

 

I know you are just wanting that Cozy Cab.

 

Dick


Edited by JRJ, February 15, 2013 - 05:23 PM.

  • Trav1s and larryd have said thanks

#10 Gary400 OFFLINE  

Gary400

    JD,junkie

  • Senior Member
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2316
  • 225 Thanks
  • 768 posts
  • Location: North East Missouri

Posted February 15, 2013 - 11:23 PM

i would go with the 400 then no one can barrow your attachment that go on the front of the tractor LOL . but i too would like a 420  


  • larryd said thank you

#11 curts garage OFFLINE  

curts garage

    New Member

  • Member
  • Member No: 1256
  • 40 Thanks
  • 70 posts
  • Location: Fall Creek WI

Posted February 15, 2013 - 11:31 PM

well I would love a 420...... I found a bargan on two 400's  will find out in the morning but my brother in law and I might each buy one.  wait and see what happens.

 

Also I just came home with the cozy cab that was for sale locally, my research found that it will fit a 317 or 400!!!!!  So this weekend I will start working on it: front and rear lights, Strobe, radio, 12v heater, and fan...... luxury :dancingbanana:

 

So wait and see what happens in the morning......


  • larryd said thank you

#12 Trav1s ONLINE  

Trav1s

    Got points?

  • Senior Member
  • Member No: 5472
  • 2,603 Thanks
  • 3,750 posts
  • Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Posted February 17, 2013 - 02:15 PM

So... did you do teh deed?  :smilewink:


  • larryd said thank you

#13 curts garage OFFLINE  

curts garage

    New Member

  • Member
  • Member No: 1256
  • 40 Thanks
  • 70 posts
  • Location: Fall Creek WI

Posted February 18, 2013 - 12:05 AM

well, got busy this weekend, but I got the cab unloaded and made a spot for it on a concrete slab I have where a shed will go in spring.  Took off the ugly orange light that was on it and came up with ideas on how I want to mount my lights and other goodies.  took a couple pics, will put up soon.

 

Also I bought one 400, go get it in two weeks :smilewink:


  • larryd said thank you

#14 Gary400 OFFLINE  

Gary400

    JD,junkie

  • Senior Member
  • Contributor
  • Member No: 2316
  • 225 Thanks
  • 768 posts
  • Location: North East Missouri

Posted February 20, 2013 - 10:22 AM

good choice 



#15 curts garage OFFLINE  

curts garage

    New Member

  • Member
  • Member No: 1256
  • 40 Thanks
  • 70 posts
  • Location: Fall Creek WI

Posted February 24, 2013 - 08:53 PM

I went and put down $$ on a 47 2 stage blower two nights ago,  will pick it up in a couple days.   It was on a 420, found out I only have to make a longer shaft for the bottom mount and it will hook right up.  only thing I'm curious of is the PTO speed..... do I need to change the gear box on the blower?  or is the front PTO speed the same?






Top